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Liliput ZB D15 and new ZB low floor coach...




Of course not long after getting back from Skiing I get sick! Proper, unable to move type, sick... So again not a lot got done. I did manage to build a kit I bought before getting sick, so now I have a PECO great little trains 4 Wheel Coach. A bit crooked because I didn't quite get the underframe right, but on the whole pretty good.


For the rest the garden has taken a lot of my time, and I mean a lot! It's been back breaking work to clear the mess and get it ready for turning the back third into an orchard with meadow (to save me having to mow it).


Today I've been to collect the new Zillertalbahn Gmeinder diesel D15. It should have had a plain coach with as well as driving trailer, but we couldn't find the last bit... Possibly it's arrived, so I'll call Andy during the week, to see if it came in or not.


I've just put the loco and intermediate coach on the track for a test run. Fantastic!


The loco runs very well, nice and slow and has working headlights. The coach is much longer than any previous ZB coach, so the overhang looks really ridiculous on the PECO N gauge radius 1 curves. Radius 3 isn't much better...


Loco features:


  1. Directional headlights with switches for configuring push-pull and shunting operations
  2. 21 pin DCC decoder socket
  3. Speaker socket
  4. Comes with HOe bosnia couplings, kaydee couplings and two flat draw bars

The coach comes with the following:


  1. Built in power pickups on the bogies
  2. The same set of coupling options as above
  3. A pack of little metal bits to get the power from the bogies to an internal lighting bar
  4. A switch underneath to turn the lights on or off (first time I've ever seen that)

The detailing in both cases is superb, I cannot vouch for the accuracy though and with my eyesight you can slip quite a bit past me, but with my magnifying glass it all looks fantastic.


One issue I do have is the propensity for the loco to become detached when using the Bosnia couplings. As they don't have a loop it let's go rather quickly when there is a bump in the track.


Recently I also managed to get hold of a Liliput U 2 (L141481) with the new running gear. Admittedly it runs very nicely, but it doesn't seem to have any pulling power whatsoever! 3 four wheeled coaches seems to be about the limit, which is not really what I had in mind, I had expected a hauling capacity of at least 6!


On the chipability front it does seem to do quite well: It has a little PCB with the various connections well marked, so putting in a Lenz silver mini should be too hard!


Mine came with a piece of foam under the trailing truck, I've left it in place as the pressure seems to be just right to prevent it from jumping when going across a piece of rough track. This is a problem I have with my 2091 class loco....


I would have included some photo's in this piece but my computer doesn't seem to like my new memory card for some obscure reason.... I'll get some tomorrow!



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I should have mentioned this yesterday: Both the loco and the coaches can be easily converted from HOe 9 mm track to HOm 12mm track.


Liliput supply replacement bogies sets for both....

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How is the D15 running? Happy with it in general?


I ask because I'm considering a purchase. You mention that the loco comes with wheelsets for both HOe and HOm. Are the wheelsets constructed so that one could regauge a set to HOn3 (10.5mm)? I'm looking for diesel motive power for my Rio Grande HOn3 layout. I may or may not keep or modify the shell, but really do want to know more about the possibilities for conversion of the chassis itself.

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Sorry for replying earlier, work has been heel!


it is a lovely runner and has recently been chipped with sound... If I were you I would get the replacement bogies first and try to re- gauge those...





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After a months-long quest for the loco (142101) and the HOe>HOm conversion kit (42100-250-9), throwing in a Lenz Silver 21+ decoder, I have converted one of these fine Liliput models to HOn3.


The details are in this thread at the Model Railroader forums:



The crucial issue comes after you have stripped down and reassembled the HOm wheelsets to HOn3 gauge. At this point, the axle ends protrude and will contact the wipers, shorting things out. Can't have that. Carefully take a cut-off wheel and grind off the protruding axle end. It will look like this when done:




Once the axle end is flush, it clears the wiper, permitting the loco to operate on HOn3 track. So it is a fairly easy mod to offer a third gauge for this great little loco to run on.

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Very interesting, I never realised until just now that HOn3 was a different track gauge yet again!


I really should have known reading you earlier post.


Have you kept the body as well? I guess they aren't really 100% American as they do tend to prefer some kind of bonnet in front of the cab. I guess this would be as a kind of crumple zone?

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Yes, kept the Liliput shell as is, except for adding proper Rio Grande air horns up top.


I did convert to Kadee 714 HOn3 couplers as we use here for this scale/gauge combination. Extract the swinging coupler arrangement, notch a proper hole for the coupler box in the pilot, and had to add just a bit of styene pad to mount at correct height. IIRC, the hole to drill to mount the 714s is drilled into the metal chassis, so plenty strong once tapped for whichever fastener used.


We do tend to favor a little "nose" on the prototype here for road locos for safety pruposes as you noted. The Gemeinder is actually more unusual having a cab at either end in contrast to usual North American practice. Not to worry, as Colorado is home to several foreign pieces of equipment. Most famously, the cog railway that ascends Pike's Peak now uses Swiss-made railcars.


Here's a peek at how she looks now:



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That looks absolutely superb! I admire your bravery in repainting a loco. The most I have attempted is painting a 3D printed body, but that lacks any kind lettering, it's just a paint job so far.


I can see from some of your other photos that it's running on a fairly big layout with mixed gauge track, I wish I had the room for something like that!

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Thanks, I appreciate your comments!


You've discovered it, but if people click thru on the pics, they'll go to my Imageshack account where many more pics of the layout can be seen in no particular order. For a nice tour of the line, I wrote up an illustrated thread on my simplified car card ops scheme here:



And I painted it with canned spray paint, too, which is what really baffles some. Got to have a light finger, but the paints around now are much better than even 10 years ago. In this case, I probably should've done a coat of primer over the factory paint. If the light is right, you can still see the Z in Zillerthalbahn. Live and learn. I'll probably do at least one more and won't make that mistake next time.


Not everyone has big space here, but generally having larger areas to work with is one advanatage of living in the USA in between the coasts. Mine is about 5 m x 8 m, (narrower towards one end with some additional staging on the other side of one wall in a utility room.) I'm about 20 years in and just reached the overall look of completion, so requires some patience and perseverance when looking at plywood for a long time as things developed.

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Got to thinking about painting this loco, as I had it about 3 montsh before I could get the conversion kit. In a fit of apparently justified optimism all would turnout eventually at HOn3, I went ahead and painted it. Now that I'm thinking about it again, I did primer it in grey. What I should have done is take soem extra fine sandpaper and knocking down the edges of the pad-printed logo before priming.


Not too big a deal, because you have to see it in the right light, right angle. I may be working on being a pro painter if my goofs look this good...:>)

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I'm envious! About the biggest I could ever possibly hope to achieve is 19x12 feet by doing an almighty loft conversion. Not only do I have the misfortune of living in London (Orpington is labelled as "Kent", but that is only because Brits don't accept change very readily, It was absorbed into London in 1965).


On top of that I live in what's called a "Conservation Area", which means that the kind of extensions you can do is limited. So the front appearance of the house must remain largely the same or you're in trouble.


All the same I'm lucky, I could still be living in the shoebox flat I used to live in (and if you know Monty Python's Yorkshireman's sketch it was almost in "middle o' road"), so having a 3 bedroom semi-detached house is quite good!


On the plus side, having a 112 foot garden should allow for a neat garden railway (and I already have a Deadwood Central Consolidation to run in it).


Anyway over the weekend I happened to have an HPA (Horrendous Purchasing Accident) of a Bachmann 0N30 Forney, this goes with a Bachmann Porter 0-4-2, I had acquired earlier. All I need is some log carriers now and maybe a caboose. Not knowing very much about American Railroads, I was hoping you might know a good place to start to find out more about modelling Narrow gauge logging operations?





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