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Woe is me!


Dave at Honley Tank

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The progress with the J10 is a long way from making me happy but also this week I have been saddened by being told of the death of two modelling friends - Malcolm Crawley and Tom Harland. That is another unpleasant fact related to age, you loose old friends at a greater rate than you make new ones and you attend more funerals than weddings and christenings. RIP my friends.

 

The progress with the J10 is that I’m now back to where I was a few weeks ago. Four of the enlarged splashers are fixed and looking OK – BUT!

 

Exactly as before, when I got to fitting the part splashers against the cab spectacle plate, to have the needed clearance means that these need to be larger than photographic evidence seems to suggest. The reason is almost certainly that the drawing I made ‘way back when’, has yet another error. Either the cab side sheet is not wide enough (i.e. cab too short) thereby putting the spectacle plate too far back, or I have the chassis fixings slightly out of kilter.

 

Either cause means a depressing amount of “un-modelling†in order to allow the rear splashers to match what photographic evidence seems to suggest. If it’s the chassis fixings, then rather than body modification, it means new chassis spacers front and back which in turn means a total chassis un-assembly, and this I would only do with great reluctance because the current chassis runs so smoothly. (“It ain’t broke; don’t mend it!â€). A suitable body modification would need either a total strip down and making a new running plate, or, if I have the wrong size for the cab side plates, then that needs a cab strip down, new side plates with an awkwardly shaped cut out, beading and main, vertical handrails to make and assemble. Which ever is chosen I’m back to where I was in mid to late October!

 

So the majority of this weeks modelling has been in my head! My desire to only produce accurate reproductions of the real thing but at a linear scale of 76.2:1, is fighting my thoughts that if I carry on and make part-splashers which give running clearance on my model, then those splashers will be more like a scale of 60:1 But very few people will have sufficient knowledge of J10s to realise the error. The decision is not yet made but I have parts prepared for a B1, two V2s, two C13s, a Q4 and an N5. In addition I have two RTR models of L1s and one O4 that need conversion. There’s also a few wagon kits need assembling and I should not forget that this blog is supposed to be about building a light-weight exhibition layout, not locos and stock! Progress and accept oversize (probably?) splashers is currently very attractive.

 

None the less, I have decided not to make any firm decision about the J10 for a week or so and a bit of horticulture may help the “little grey cells†recuperate from all this bad news. I have now mowed the lawn, disinfected the green house, turned on the under-soil heating of the greenhouse seedbed and retrieved the propagators from storage. But you don’t come here to read that do you?

 

Normal service will return as soon as possible. (Oh no! even that statement shows my age. Put up the test card some one quick!)

 

Dave

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Dave,

 

I didn't really know either, although I chatted to Tom over Bramblewick at some S4 do's- he didn't take me up on my view that a nice WD with 16 ton steel wagons would look good on it!! - but it is a sad fact that age is taking its toll.

Sorry to read of your trials and tribulations with the J10 splashers. I'm not sure if this is part of your venture into EM, but the coarser flanges can't help with splasher clearance. Mind you, even in P4, we need larger than scale clearances for working parts for reliable working, partly due to our excessive suspension travel and general slop between moving parts. After all, a 0.125" clearance between some valve gear parts on the prototype would transloate to 0.04 mm in 4 mm scale - guaranteed to lead to a clash!

I'm sure you'll find a satisfactory solution. As you say, slightly over-size splashers will probably not be noticed by most people, if not over done.

 

Regards,

 

Dave.

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Dave, really sorry to hear about your tribulations with this. As you are aware I am going to do an N gauge version of the J10. Looking at my trusty RCTS 5, the writer refers to different types of cab. The first seems fairly obviously on the Parker engines, GC 9D with smaller cabs, shorter roof, no vertical handrail at the rear. When we come to the section on Pollitt and Robinson engines, the author seems to imply that there are small and large cabs, with different cut-outs to match different size tenders. By later LNER days, most members of the class seem to have had larger, Robinson style cabs. However, no 134, which masqueraded as a J11 for several years when converted back to J10 in Dec 1924, was fitted with "a Pollitt cab as on the Beyer Peacock locomotives." There seem to be at least 4 different kinds of cab in play here. On most of the engines illustrated in RCTS 5 and Locos illustrated 156, the small rear splasher seems to butt onto a plate or beading mounted on the flat of the spectacle plate.

 

Might the drawing you prepared be slightly adrift because of these differences? I am really struggling to see what they are, but that's probably just my incompetence. The rear splashers on a J10 look really tiny, but not having a decent side on shot, it's difficult to see if there are differences in the way the "large" or "small" cab lines up in relation to the frames. In the drawing you sent me, it seems possible that the cab front may be a tiny (really tiny) bit too far back? Could that be enough to throw your clearances out?? I wish I could help more.

 

Best wishes,

 

Alastair

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Dave, For the present at least, my scratch built locos will be S4, so this has nought to do with EM.

I think Tom was right; WDs and steel wagons are a bit out of period for 'Bramblewick'!!!

Would a dubdee look good in apple green with black and white lining?

 

Alastair, You may well have hit on the error - my drawing was based on a print from an original B-P drawing of the late 1800s (if memory serves, - and it increasingly doesn't!) so it would be for an original Parker cab. Correcting the drawing is no problem, correcting the model will be much more onerous.

 

But even then, I think Dave is probably correct that true scale clearances are not possible because of our relatively sloppy chassis, it's looking more like incorrect rear splashers the more thought I give and the more information I'm given

 

Because I'm taking part in the Model Engineering show at Manchester’s Exhibition City next Friday I'm unable to attend Malcolm's funeral, and Tom's will be too far to travel nowadays.

 

Ain't life a bitch?

 

Regards,

 

Dave

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