josh993 Posted October 28, 2009 Share Posted October 28, 2009 Hello all, Looking into tracking down a kit for one of these as I have always admired these, however much it may not suit anything I am modeling at the minute!, However I know nu-cat do them but was wondering what the best motor bogie for them is? The suggested motor for the kit is tenshodo motor bogie but are these any good? if not would a black beetle fit it? All the best Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hayfield Posted October 28, 2009 Share Posted October 28, 2009 Hello all, Looking into tracking down a kit for one of these as I have always admired these, however much it may not suit anything I am modeling at the minute!, However I know nu-cat do them but was wondering what the best motor bogie for them is? The suggested motor for the kit is tenshodo motor bogie but are these any good? if not would a black beetle fit it? All the best Josh I have used Tenshido bogies without any ill effects but those who know better advise the uce of Black Beatle motor bogies as they are more robust. However I have heard good reports about High Level kits http://www.highlevelkits.co.uk/ Their bogie kit looks promissing Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonB Posted October 29, 2009 Share Posted October 29, 2009 Hi, Josh. the GWR only trialled, without success (as far as Sentinel were concerned) a single Loco which was numbered 12. Are you thinking perhaps of the LNER type Y1 and Y3 ? See http://www.lner.info/locos/Y/y1y3.shtml for some details, photos and a mention of kits. No one seems to make a kit for my favourite Sentinel, there's one at the NRM at York Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
industrial Posted October 29, 2009 Share Posted October 29, 2009 Hi, Josh. the GWR only trialled, without success (as far as Sentinel were concerned) a single Loco which was numbered 12. Are you thinking perhaps of the LNER type Y1 and Y3 ? See http://www.lner.info/locos/Y/y1y3.shtml for some details, photos and a mention of kits. No one seems to make a kit for my favourite Sentinel, there's one at the NRM at York Imptus have made a kit of this, it might come out again one day in 7mm and 4mm. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenton Posted October 29, 2009 Share Posted October 29, 2009 <br />Imptus have made a kit of this, it might come out again one day <img src='http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/public/style_emoticons/default/huh.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' /> in 7mm and 4mm.<br /><br /><br /><br /> Ah, but just how long are we prepared to wait? http://www.karlgarin.com/impetus.htm Impetus has been going to, going to, going to ... for years ... yet still we wait for them to start up under the new management. I don't understand what the problem is - they purchase a range of reasonably popular kits ... then don't start producing any ... should be sold on to someone who can get their act together. Meanwhile all we have is the inflated ebay market - and usually these days that is just someone's part built woes with parts missing Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cctransuk Posted October 29, 2009 Share Posted October 29, 2009 <br /><br /><br /> Ah, but just how long are we prepared to wait? http://www.karlgarin.com/impetus.htm Impetus has been going to, going to, going to ... for years ... yet still we wait for them to start up under the new management. I don't understand what the problem is - they purchase a range of reasonably popular kits ... then don't start producing any ... should be sold on to someone who can get their act together. Meanwhile all we have is the inflated ebay market - and usually these days that is just someone's part built woes with parts missing The protracted illness / injury excuse is a bit long in the tooth, it has to be said. There may well be sound reasons why the current owner is unable to proceed - but then surely the sensible course of action would be to sell-on the business? ....now if someone was to offer a nice whitemetal S&DJR Radstock Sentinel to fit a Black Beetle I'd be first in the queue !! (Despite the fact that I have certain Impetus Sentinel castings put on one side for use with a future scratchbuilt model). Regards, John Isherwood. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Etched Pixels Posted October 29, 2009 Share Posted October 29, 2009 The protracted illness / injury excuse is a bit long in the tooth, it has to be said. There may well be sound reasons why the current owner is unable to proceed - but then surely the sensible course of action would be to sell-on the business? Having taken something over a year to put Ultima back together, to the point a large proportion of the parts are available, through a mix of bank delays, paperwork, and people being ill/moving I've come to the conclusion that it really can be hard to get a business back up and running, and the longer it stays out of production the harder it gets to put back in order. Digital stuff is easy but the rest of the world moves at a rather slower pace. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenton Posted October 29, 2009 Share Posted October 29, 2009 Some delays are understandable - but didn't these change hands way back in 2002? The web site seems to get an update once a year but no real progress made. I'm not expecting the full range overnight - just as in the case of Alan Gibson kits there has to be a priiority and perhaps a selection made on what will sell the most. I also understand that some of the casting molds may not be up to current standards and these certainly take time to produce. but 7 years seems a very long time. especially as the range of kits is extremely interesting to those who like small shunting planks ... and now virtually priceless when they do come up on ebay Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cctransuk Posted October 29, 2009 Share Posted October 29, 2009 ... and now virtually priceless when they do come up on ebay ....talking of which http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=360202500037&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:GB:1123 Regards, John Isherwood. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
60B Posted October 29, 2009 Share Posted October 29, 2009 ....talking of which http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=360202500037&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:GB:1123 Regards, John Isherwood. And: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Impetus-4mm-brass-Motorised-Kit-SIMPLEX-0-4-0-SHUNTER_W0QQitemZ350271942558QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Trains_Railway_Models?hash=item518dd5af9e Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Dickerson Posted October 30, 2009 Share Posted October 30, 2009 the GWR only trialled, without success (as far as Sentinel were concerned) a single Loco which was numbered 12. Are you thinking perhaps of the LNER type Y1 and Y3 ? No.13 might be lucky for some I thought the GW Park Royal goods branch shunter was a Sentinel numbered 13? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted October 30, 2009 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 30, 2009 No.13 might be lucky for some I thought the GW Park Royal goods branch shunter was a Sentinel numbered 13? Was that the loco that was tested on branchline workings or was a Sentinel demonstrator used? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cctransuk Posted October 30, 2009 Share Posted October 30, 2009 the GWR only trialled, without success (as far as Sentinel were concerned) Extract from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sentinel_Waggon_Works 100 hp Steam Locomotives Works no. 6515/1926, Isham Quarries, Northamptonshire, (ex-GWR no. 12) Regards, John Isherwood. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cctransuk Posted October 30, 2009 Share Posted October 30, 2009 No.13 might be lucky for some I thought the GW Park Royal goods branch shunter was a Sentinel numbered 13? Extract from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Locomotives_of_the_Great_Western_Railway Liskeard and Caradon Railway GWR experimental 4-4-0ST number 13 was also regularly used on the line, at first hired to the Liskeard and Caradon, but it continued to be used after the Great Western Railway took over operations. It would seem that if a Sentinel numbered 13 worked the Park Royal branch it wasn't in GWR ownership. Regards, John Isherwood. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Posted October 30, 2009 Share Posted October 30, 2009 ....now if someone was to offer a nice whitemetal S&DJR Radstock Sentinel to fit a Black Beetle I'd be first in the queue !! (Despite the fact that I have certain Impetus Sentinel castings put on one side for use with a future scratchbuilt model). Regards, John Isherwood. I'm told he's quite defensive about the whole affair, though, on the other hand if he is producing anything (and rumour has it he might be), then it would help his cause to tell people. Anyway, it's funny you should mention the S&DJR Sentinel John, because there will be a (brass) kit for it in the near future. Roger Slade (who markets Agenoria kits in 4mm) had the CAD drawings for it on his stand at Scaleforum. I understand it will come out in the new year, complete with bespoke chassis. I'm already looking forward to it. Adam Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffalo Posted October 30, 2009 Share Posted October 30, 2009 ...Anyway, it's funny you should mention the S&DJR Sentinel John, because there will be a (brass) kit for it in the near future. Roger Slade (who markets Agenoria kits in 4mm) had the CAD drawings for it on his stand at Scaleforum. I understand it will come out in the new year, complete with bespoke chassis. I'm already looking forward to it. Now that's interesting news I'll have to keep my eyes open for that as it will go well with my Radstock pug. Now all we need is for someone to produce a kit of one of the 'Dazzlers' :icon_e_wink: Nick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
industrial Posted October 30, 2009 Share Posted October 30, 2009 Extract from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Locomotives_of_the_Great_Western_Railway Liskeard and Caradon Railway GWR experimental 4-4-0ST number 13 was also regularly used on the line, at first hired to the Liskeard and Caradon, but it continued to be used after the Great Western Railway took over operations. It would seem that if a Sentinel numbered 13 worked the Park Royal branch it wasn't in GWR ownership. Regards, John Isherwood. GWR No 12 S6515 1926 was sold 1927 or 1934 depend where you get the minformation from, and GWR No 13 S 6514 was sold in 1946. This one worked the Park Royal branch in GWR ownership. No 12 is preserved. Don't forget the LMS also had 4 of these as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffalo Posted October 30, 2009 Share Posted October 30, 2009 Extract from http://en.wikipedia....Western_Railway Liskeard and Caradon Railway GWR experimental 4-4-0ST number 13 was also regularly used on the line, at first hired to the Liskeard and Caradon, but it continued to be used after the Great Western Railway took over operations. It would seem that if a Sentinel numbered 13 worked the Park Royal branch it wasn't in GWR ownership. That no 13 was built as a 2-4-2T in 1886, converted to a 4-4-0ST in 1897 and withdrawn in 1926, whereafter the number would have been available for re-use. Nick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Dickerson Posted October 30, 2009 Share Posted October 30, 2009 Ah - vague memories of a photo of No.13 (couldn't afford to buy the RCTS guide at the time) apparently confirmed: www.steamindex.com/manlocos/sentinel.htm . I suspect it's mentioned on the Nu-cast kit instruction sheet too, as a couple of GW Sentinels have shown up on eBay and it doesn't appear to have been that highly-photographed. Too close to Old Oak Common (and a brewery). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cctransuk Posted October 30, 2009 Share Posted October 30, 2009 Anyway, it's funny you should mention the S&DJR Sentinel John, because there will be a (brass) kit for it in the near future. Roger Slade (who markets Agenoria kits in 4mm) had the CAD drawings for it on his stand at Scaleforum. I understand it will come out in the new year, complete with bespoke chassis. I'm already looking forward to it. Adam Me too !!! Pre-order now sent !! Many thanks, John Isherwood. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cctransuk Posted October 30, 2009 Share Posted October 30, 2009 Ah - vague memories of a photo of No.13 (couldn't afford to buy the RCTS guide at the time) apparently confirmed: www.steamindex.com/manlocos/sentinel.htm . OK - I'll admit to decrepitude, (the text is rather small), but where on that link does it refer to GWR 12 & 13, please? Regards, John Isherwood. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Dickerson Posted October 30, 2009 Share Posted October 30, 2009 OK - I'll admit to decrepitude, (the text is rather small), but where on that link does it refer to GWR 12 & 13, please? (Yes, I found it a bit dense too.) "Railway Correspondence & Travel Society. The locomotives of the Great Western Railway. Part 6. Four-coupled tank engines. 1959. No. 12 had an extremely short life whilst No. 13 lasted until 1946. Both entered service in 1926, but the former was withdrawn almost immediately. No. 13 is illustrated." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cctransuk Posted October 30, 2009 Share Posted October 30, 2009 (Yes, I found it a bit dense too.) "Railway Correspondence & Travel Society. The locomotives of the Great Western Railway. Part 6. Four-coupled tank engines. 1959. No. 12 had an extremely short life whilst No. 13 lasted until 1946. Both entered service in 1926, but the former was withdrawn almost immediately. No. 13 is illustrated." Thank you - I read through it several times (or so I thought) but by attention-span must have failed me by that point !! Regards, John. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffalo Posted October 30, 2009 Share Posted October 30, 2009 (Yes, I found it a bit dense too.) "Railway Correspondence & Travel Society. The locomotives of the Great Western Railway. Part 6. Four-coupled tank engines. 1959. No. 12 had an extremely short life whilst No. 13 lasted until 1946. Both entered service in 1926, but the former was withdrawn almost immediately. No. 13 is illustrated." Hmmm. My earlier post about the older 13 was based on details in the same volume. It just didn't occur to me that a Sentinel could be considered as 'four-coupled' so I didn't even bother looking :icon_redface: Nick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenton Posted October 30, 2009 Share Posted October 30, 2009 (Yes, I found it a bit dense too.) "Railway Correspondence" Travel Society. The locomotives of the Great Western Railway. Part 6. Four-coupled tank engines. 1959. No. 12 had an extremely short life whilst No. 13 lasted until 1946. Both entered service in 1926, but the former was withdrawn almost immediately. No. 13 is illustrated." I'm sitting here with that volume in front of me - and can add: what is a bit confusing is that No 12 was taken into stock AFTER No 13 but was the second to be built. There were size differences between the two. Though it is suggested some of the differences were undertaken after No 12 was returned to the factory. No 12's short life with GWR appears to be due to unsuccessful trials - Fowey is mentioned. Following return to the makers it was later sold on to private industry - T E Gray of Burton Latimer and renamed Isebrook. It remained there until May 1958 when it was replaced by another Sentinel. No 13 spent practically the whole of its time as a GWR shunter in Park Royal Trading Estate, with the occasional visit on loan to the Lyons factory at Greenford. After withdrawal in May 1946 it was sold in June 1946 to G Cowen & Sones Ltd and then again to BSA Ltd of Small Heath. There is indeed a photograph of it (plate F11) So perhaps we should be discussing No 13 and not No 12 ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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