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I'm seriously tempted to stop being sniffy about these and get back down the corner shop!  Can I ask, did you find a photograph of E24159 or have you a rule as to whether the BR logo should be applied or not?

 

Cheers,

Alun

I'm seriously tempted to stop being sniffy about these and get back down the corner shop!  Can I ask, did you find a photograph of E24159 or have you a rule as to whether the BR logo should be applied or not?

 

Cheers,

Alun

 

 

Hi Alun,

 

They might have already disappeared from the corner shop by the time you get down there!

 

No particular reason why I chose E24159 other than I found a picture of a Bachmann crimson and cream version of this coach and David's excellent reference.

 

Also I went with the Bachmann positioning of numbers too so it doesn't look out of place running in a rake of Bachmann MK1's.

 

When you say the BR logo, do you mean the roundel.  I'm not sure on this myself so I guess pictures are your best bet. The same for OHL warning flashes.

 

My friend still as the other coach and seeing it go around his layout in a rake you never noticed the lack of underframe detail,  For this kind of use I think they're fine and with a few tweaks like above unless the layout is at eye level then I think you'd never know.

 

Cheers,

 

Mark

Ha,

 

Been, comeback, now the not so proud owner of 3 new SKs!  I think what stopped me is that although I have a some old Triang-Hornby and Airfix locomotives and wagons from when I was a kid, I replaced all my old Mk1s with Bachmann's a year or 2 ago.

 

What I'm going to do in the short term is get some of the HMRS transfers and find 3 maroon SKs on Flickr so I can have a stab at getting the roundels right, although strictly speaking I would need to see both sides of the coach.  It is not unheard of for a corridor side to be decorated differently to the compartment side and even to see left hand facing lions (apparently).

 

I have some old LMS and GWR origin coaches that the Mk1s will sit very nicely with.

 

Thanks for helping me make my mind up!

 

Alun

Ha,

 

Been, comeback, now the not so proud owner of 3 new SKs!  I think what stopped me is that although I have a some old Triang-Hornby and Airfix locomotives and wagons from when I was a kid, I replaced all my old Mk1s with Bachmann's a year or 2 ago.

 

What I'm going to do in the short term is get some of the HMRS transfers and find 3 maroon SKs on Flickr so I can have a stab at getting the roundels right, although strictly speaking I would need to see both sides of the coach.  It is not unheard of for a corridor side to be decorated differently to the compartment side and even to see left hand facing lions (apparently).

 

I have some old LMS and GWR origin coaches that the Mk1s will sit very nicely with.

 

Thanks for helping me make my mind up!

 

Alun

 

Hi Alun,

 

Glad you found some. Obviously not a feeding frenzy in your neck of the woods then?

 

They are what they are and I think spending money on detailing parts kind of defeats the object.  If these were my coaches I might have a go at scratch building the the trussing and add the water filler pipes but other than that I'd just do as I'd done in the article above.

 

I did think about the crests but couldn't find any examples on the internet. Hope you have fun doing yours up.

 

It would be interesting to see what Coachman could do with one of these.

 

Cheers,

 

Mark

 

It would be interesting to see what Coachman could do with one of these.

 

Cheers,

 

Mark

 

Yes I'd love to see him wave his magic wand over one.

 

You don't hang around do you Mark.I thought you were lettering some GPV's !

 

You don't hang around do you Mark.I thought you were lettering some GPV's !

 

Don't you mean GVP's?

 

Those I built a few weeks back needed the decals finishing off on one side and the end. I'd just received an order from Fox so thought I'd finish them off quickly! Though paying attention helps.

 

I bet Larry will spring something upon us.

 

Cheers,

 

Mark

Hi Alun,

 

Glad you found some. Obviously not a feeding frenzy in your neck of the woods then?

 

They are what they are and I think spending money on detailing parts kind of defeats the object.  If these were my coaches I might have a go at scratch building the the trussing and add the water filler pipes but other than that I'd just do as I'd done in the article above.

 

I did think about the crests but couldn't find any examples on the internet. Hope you have fun doing yours up.

 

It would be interesting to see what Coachman could do with one of these.

 

Cheers,

 

Mark

 

Hi,

 

I've got a 4th now, I couldn't stop myself, there was one left in the Spar when I stopped off on the way back from the park with my youngest!

 

You've inspired me to do a bit more than just put the numbers (and roundels?) on, but as I'm not set up for it, I'll probably try the Phoenix aerosols.  I'm guessing a satin varnish after painting the roof and a gloss to finish off the body sides?

 

I couldn't agree more about spending money on detailing parts defeats the object.  If I can get 4 reasonable coaches for circa 35 quid and learn something along the way, that'll do me nicely.

 

Alun

Hi,

 

I've got a 4th now, I couldn't stop myself, there was one left in the Spar when I stopped off on the way back from the park with my youngest!

 

You've inspired me to do a bit more than just put the numbers (and roundels?) on, but as I'm not set up for it, I'll probably try the Phoenix aerosols.  I'm guessing a satin varnish after painting the roof and a gloss to finish off the body sides?

 

I couldn't agree more about spending money on detailing parts defeats the object.  If I can get 4 reasonable coaches for circa 35 quid and learn something along the way, that'll do me nicely.

 

Alun

 

Morning Alun,

 

Sounds like a nice little project sorting your 4 coaches out.

 

Not sure if you mean you're going to repaint the sides altogether.  You'll loose the crisp lining on these coaches if you do though. I did't repaint mine 

 

Have a look at using Johnson's Klear-the old clear formula-not the recent cloudy stuff if you can find it.  Alternatively, I think Humbrol have recently inrtoduced a similar product called Clear which I believe has the same properties.  Brushed on it doesn't leave brush marks and gives a nice satin finish.  It also leaves a nice finish for applying decals. 

 

The roof could be finished with a spray can of Humbrol/Tamiya German Grey following priming. Again Klear brush painted on the roof would take away the matt finish too.

 

Be interesting to see how you get on.

 

Post a few entries on your progress when you get started,

 

Cheers,

 

Mark

Stumbled across one of these in WHS last night whilst being hounded by the boys to get them some 'pick n mix'

 

Not sure of its origin (will have a read of that associated thread) but you have made a nice job of it Mark - once again that colouring looks spot on.

 

An interesting visitor to JH too...that nosy busybody photographer who frequents JH seems to have missed out on this one...

Stumbled across one of these in WHS last night whilst being hounded by the boys to get them some 'pick n mix'

 

Not sure of its origin (will have a read of that associated thread) but you have made a nice job of it Mark - once again that colouring looks spot on.

 

An interesting visitor to JH too...that nosy busybody photographer who frequents JH seems to have missed out on this one...

 

Morning Pete,

 

Good to hear from you.

 

Thought you were going to say you'd brought a few of these coaches

 

Thanks for the comments.  As for JC-well I think he's saving his AGFA film up for a special occasion!

 

Cheers,

 

Mark

 

PS: Pick-n-Mix sounds good. Loads of 'E' numbers

Morning Alun,

 

Sounds like a nice little project sorting your 4 coaches out.

 

Not sure if you mean you're going to repaint the sides altogether.  You'll loose the crisp lining on these coaches if you do though. I did't repaint mine 

 

Have a look at using Johnson's Klear-the old clear formula-not the recent cloudy stuff if you can find it.  Alternatively, I think Humbrol have recently inrtoduced a similar product called Clear which I believe has the same properties.  Brushed on it doesn't leave brush marks and gives a nice satin finish.  It also leaves a nice finish for applying decals. 

 

The roof could be finished with a spray can of Humbrol/Tamiya German Grey following priming. Again Klear brush painted on the roof would take away the matt finish too.

 

Be interesting to see how you get on.

 

Post a few entries on your progress when you get started,

 

Cheers,

 

Mark

 

Morning!

 

I won't be attempting a repaint, small steps and all that!  There do appear to be some (very minor) flash marks on the bodysides, but I haven't lost sight of how much the coaches cost (yet).  :-)

 

The Humbrol Clear looks like the way to go, although there is some original Johnson's Klear on a well known on-line auction site, but it would start to negate the budget nature of these coaches.  The Tamiya TS German Grey looks good, do you have a shade for blood and custard roofs as I have a few that could do with tidying up?

 

Can I ask, did you finish off the weathering on the frames/ends with anything?  I won't be mixing my own paint, I think Pheonix do a "Frame Dirt" which I might have a go with, just to cover up what looks like the odd glue mark.

 

I'll definitely take a few pics as I go along.

 

Thank you again,

Alun

Morning Alun,

 

Again I'd probably be tempted to use German Grey for the roofs on Crimson and Cream stock for that weathered look but I guess a shade or too lighter would be suitable.  Have a look on Coachman's thread on coach building.

 

Yes, think you're right re: Phoenix and their frame dirt.  Railmatch also do a similar product I believe, 

 

I look forwards to seeing how you get on.  I may respray one I have into BR (SR) green for a friend of mine.

 

Cheers,

 

Mark

I've got some of these coaches and your blog entry is really helpful, thanks for posting it.

 

Can I ask a question about the HMRS transfers? Do they come as individual digits and if so, is it tricky to get them in a straight line with even spacing? Many thanks,

Simon

Hi Simon,

 

Thanks for your comments.

 

HMRS transfers can be a problem speaking from experience.

 

I use a fresh scalpel blade to cut them from the backing paper. Then place them on the area required.  I do't press them down too much so as when you remove the slip paper when its wet you can finely adjust them with a cocktail stick.

 

One trick I does use to get numbers straight is use a piece of Tamiya masking tape as a straight line. With these coaches I measured the window width and put a mark in the centre of the tape.  From there I worked from the middle outwards.

 

Hope that helps.

 

PM me if you want some more advice.

 

Cheers,

 

Mark

Many thanks for your reply Mark. Think I'll have a go with the modelmaster water slide ones and see how they look,

Best wishes,

Simon

Hi Mark,

 

I think you saw in "the thread" that I'm going to do a couple in Souther Green, or try to anyway.  I sourced some Klear - 5 times the price of Humbrol Clear, but 5 times the quantity and I can always polish the floor.  I'm not sure what route I'm going to go down with the transfers, although the HMRS sheet is comprehensive!  I wondered if you would mind if I sent you a PM with a quick couple of questions about varnish?

 

Thank you again,

Alun

Hi Mark,

 

I managed to pick up 4 of these coaches @

 

quick question, i presume the white frame decal is the 'Emergency Distribution Point' one from the HMRS 14P sheet.

 

 

Hi Sob,

 

Yes, there from the HMRS sheet.

 

Fox may do them as well I guess.

 

Cheers,

 

Mark

Mark,

 

Thanks, just had two HMRS sheet 14's arrive. are there C1 decals at both ends or just the one you can see from your picture.

 

Sob

Hi Sob,

 

The C1 decals are on both ends.

 

Hope that helps?

 

Cheers,

 

Mark

Mark

 

Found some great pics on Flicker for these coaches, most have the BR logo under the middle window. so thats what i'm going to do on mine.

 

Sob.

Found some great pics on Flicker for these coaches, most have the BR logo under the middle window. so thats what i'm going to do on mine.

 

Hi,

 

I've been researching this and it appears those coaches given the roundel were originally for named trains but as the rakes got mixed up, they found themselves on normal services and vice versa.  It's certainly seems to be the case that from the early to mid 1960s more and more maroon coaches got the roundel on the LMR and ER (and NE and GE) at least.

 

It would be greatly appreciated if you could point me in the direction of any links to non preservation photographs of specific coaches with or without the roundel.

 

Thank you,

 

Alun

Thanks Mark - they do look good.  I have lots of admiration for peope who can spray paint well.  I am also full of admiration for all the static grass - but thats another story.

 

Regards

 

Ray

I ended up having quite a bit of correspondence with Mark, his helpfulness is at least equal to his modelling skills and modesty!  My Hachette coaches were good practice.

 

Alun