Trefallion - P4 GWR Branch Terminus c.1905

Lovely models!

 

I particularly like the overenthusiastic application of lime on the cattle wagon, though I am not so sure about the heavy weathering of the "new" large logos on the iron minks - they must have been very early repaints into the new style!

 

I see that you are ignoring that wonderful enigma - GWR freight wagon red.... What shade was it? When did the livery change from red to grey? See a brief inconclusive discussion of this topic at http://www.gwr.org.uk/liverieswagonred.html

 

David

David,

After I had weathered the Iron and Outside Framed Minks with the 25" GW livery, I did think that I had overdone it a bit , as you rightly point out for the period depicted by my layout they would be less than a year out of the shops. Obviously it's very grimey down in the South West I think that the interior of the cattle wagon needs toning down somewhat, it is not really quite so noticable in real life - flash photography does tend to highlight things!!

 

You are also quite right about the red colouring of wagons, I am completely ignoring it - I have made the assumption that it would have been a livery used on the Broad Gauge sometime before 1892 (as per Slinn). Whether the Broad Gauge Society have managed to come to any conclusions over it in the last 11 years since I was last a member I do not know (unfortunately all of my wagons were built when I was last actively Railway Modelling over 10 years ago, so more information may have come to light in the intervening period).

 

Clearly, any models of the GWR c1900 should be photographed in black and white only

 

Ian

Really nice, Ian. I love the brake van. Which kit is that? I want one lol

The Brake Van is a D&S white metal kit, I have no idea whether it is still available. I was scratchbuilding one in plasticard back in the mid-1990's, but when D&S released theirs I decided to can the scratchbuild and purchase a couple (the other one is still in kit-form somewhere among the boxed up items in the loft)

Great stuff. I especially like the fact that the wagons are well weathered, as I find it hard to believe that everything was as pristine as we sometimes imagine during that period .

 

You are also quite right about the red colouring of wagons, I am completely ignoring it - I have made the assumption that it would have been a livery used on the Broad Gauge sometime before 1892 (as per Slinn).

For what it's worth, you may be interested in the discussion in the comments to this post: http://www.rmweb.co....pen-in-gwr-red/

Ian,

 

Have just come across your Blog. The outside frame Toad is still available from ABS however he now does it as two kits - one with the clasp brakes and the other with push rods.

 

Dave

I have spent a couple of evenings this week going through all of the Broad Gauge Society "News Sheets" and "Broad Sheet" articles that I have from the time that I was a member of the society - I recalled an article about Wagon colouring and the change from Red to Grey.

Eventually I found the articles I was looking for and it appears that the concensus now is that the Red colouring of GWR wagons lasted well into the 1890's (rather than the 1870's that I originally believed from "The Great Western Way" by Slinn). The result is that I will have to re-evaluate the painting and liveries of my wagon stock, the only surety is that the wagons were in Grey livery when the large 25" lettering was introduced in 1904, but at what date Grey was introduced appears still to be open to debate. Similarly, the actual shade of Red used by the GWR before the change to Grey also seems difficult to ascertain (although I do like the shade used by Mikkel http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/blog/75/entry-6024-3-plank-open-in-gwr-red/

 

Luckily, the photographs in this thread are of my only completed wagons and vans so it's not like I've got to re-paint lots of stock, although in reality I will probably begin by painting new stock in a Red shade after I have progressed a little more on the layout itself. Afterall it's no good having a box of rolling stock with nothing to run them on