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boxing clever?...


bcnPete

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Good evening,

 

Time for an update on PWIAB. In short, the original idea was for the layout to be exhibited in May 2014...but this was far far away so it has been brought forward to May 2013 :O

 

After much sketching again at 35,000ft en route to UK recently for our week in sunny changeable Cornwall, thought was given to the baseboards as I wanted to get these underway before crimble. Particularly, lessons learnt from Kyle when it used to reside in a boxfile. This time a decision was made not to use foamboard as they twisted and were also too light, tending to want to move everytime you slid the dpdt switch for the turnouts. I recall that Anthony Yeates had used 3mm ply on his inspiring Inverneuk boxfile layout so something similiar was sought.

 

Not being a gifted wood worker and lack of workbench/garage also shaped the decision and I found a product in a model shop here which was wood like in appearance and 3mm thick...and it was reasonably priced. It cuts with the grain with a SM 10A scalpel blade and requires a little more work across the grain but is has allowed me to work on a cutting mat on the dining room table.

 

Having worked out the maximum dimensions, I knew I had to extend the width by a slither but this was necessary to allow the trackplan to fit. The pieces were cut, numbered and laid out and then glued with PVA. Another lesson learnt from alignment issues was to incorporate a hinge and this will be visible on the front and may/may not be covered by the front fascia. The boards will be then unfolded and bolted through on the inside, again to iron out problems previously arising.

 

Finally, the last thing was to incorporate the folding section. You may recall that in order to add a little more operational interest a through line has been added the other side of the bay platform and this is provided by a folded section so as to sit within the depth/width of the boxfile. A strip has been formed secured with hinges and Araldite (I may add screws later for belt and braces) and once unfolded this is kept in place by a timber base which has recesses to incorporate switches for the turnout and signals to be added at a later date - More on that in the future as its presently in the sketchbook/my head at present.

 

In terms of signals there will be a two aspect starter for the bay platform and a four aspect with feather for the through line. I am currently in extended dialogues with Matt from Absolute Aspects (formely Roger Murray) and I must say that he has been extremely helpful in his way of working as we try to work together by exchange of emails with the minimum depth of the baseboards (only 30mm) It may be that the two signals are removable and Matt has engineered the 'below baseboard' stuff to fit with the 'above baseboard' signals potentially 'plugging in'.

 

Finally, thanks again to Chris (EastWestDivide) for sending some more photos recently which are helping with context and train formations.

 

As always, a few pics to better describe all the above ;)

 

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The first is a reminder of the idea showing the through line which folds for storage...

 

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And gives extra width to the boards...

 

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Baseboards folded and located within depth allowing for scenics...

 

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Once removed they look something like this...

 

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And on the underside, this...

 

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The edges unfold to reveal the hinged section...

 

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The baseboads unfolded give this...hinge on front face as not to interfere with folding mechanism..

 

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Looking down and at the rear, we see the through line folded in stored position...

 

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And once unfolded, they increase the width to allow the through line to fold up against the platform face...

 

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Final zoom in showing recess which will incorporate switches and DIN sockets etc...

 

Next I need to order some more Easitrac components and cut the slots for the signals...until the next time...

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Very tidy work, as ever Pete. What is the material? It looks like Balsa. Hopefully it'll not warp when you come to work it... always a worry with new materials. You've got me thinking though... I'll have to start thinking too. The ballast on my depot has not withstood the recent warmth... (yes we had some, again just as we got home <_< ) so I'll be starting again and need some thoughts. Maybe I need to put myself at altitude to think it through :rolleyes:

Looking forward to seeing this develop!

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Nice work Pete, as Jon says very tidy! Looking forward to watching this one develop. Nothing like a deadline to kickstart the modelling mojo!

 

Tom.

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Very tidy work, as ever Pete. What is the material? It looks like Balsa.

 

Jon, hi - Thanks - its called plancha tilo...which translates as 'grilled lime' :laugh:

Don't think its balsa as it seems stronger and I wouldn't have taken it otherwise - lets see as you say...glad the sun came out...hope it stays too.

 

Nice work Pete, as Jon says very tidy! Looking forward to watching this one develop. Nothing like a deadline to kickstart the modelling mojo!

 

Thanks Tom - Yep...2 years and I was in danger of faffing so its good to bring it forward a year...if the track is down by crimble then maybe Santa will leave a 56 in the stocking...;)

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Neat work. Someone beat me to it but I wanted to say it anyway. I look forward to progress. I'm glad my own deadline is 2014: I couldn't bear it if it were sooner.

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Neat work. Someone beat me to it but I wanted to say it anyway. I look forward to progress. I'm glad my own deadline is 2014: I couldn't bear it if it were sooner.

 

Thanks Rich - as Tom says, nothing like a deadline to get things moving...especially as Chris (the exhibition organiser) listed the layout in the exhibition programme this year as attending next year...

 

Very nice, very tidy work. I'll watch with great interest.

 

Many thanks also Alex...

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Pete

 

have you converted your CEP yet ? and will you be adding 3rd rail as per the forth coming Track handbook by Geoff Jones ( I know what it is as I tested the idea :onthequiet: )

 

Maybe if we meet up a couple of Green CEPS and a 71 may make a visit :locomotive:

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have you converted your CEP yet ? and will you be adding 3rd rail as per the forth coming Track handbook by Geoff Jones

 

Nick, hi - Not yet...and I am not sure I will need to either...Cunning plan no.1 means the 4 Cep will trundle in and out of the Bay platform and FY and on occaision on the through line and as there are no turnouts in this, then it can just run on plain rail Easitrac... 8)

 

Maybe if we meet up a couple of Green CEPS and a 71 may make a visit

 

By all means Nick...assume you will have resprayed them blue by then? :P

 

When's the exhibition? Must put the date in my diary... no pressure!

 

Chris, hi - Saturday 11 May 2013 The date unfortunately usually classes with the FA Cup Final and sometimes a Gauge O Guild exhibition...you makes's your choices and all that...but it would be good to see you ;)

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Another great idea Pete. Can't see anything wrong with the wood skills - neat and precise work as ever. Wouldn't bother with screws if the glue is doing the job apart from using the heads for cosmetic reasons - the glue over the surface area of the hinge should be a stronger fix than the screws in my opinion. That seems like proper cabinet maker's wood and I wish it was available over here - lovely looking stuff. Another interesting project to follow.

 

Regards

 

Mike

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Great work Pete, looking forward to seeing this progress.

 

Thanks a lot Bryn...

 

Another great idea Pete. Can't see anything wrong with the wood skills - neat and precise work as ever. Wouldn't bother with screws if the glue is doing the job apart from using the heads for cosmetic reasons - the glue over the surface area of the hinge should be a stronger fix than the screws in my opinion. That seems like proper cabinet maker's wood and I wish it was available over here - lovely looking stuff. Another interesting project to follow.

 

Mike, hi - Many thanks - It's a small layout built entirely around the Bachmann 2mm 4 CEP (lovely model) - Agreed on the hinges...will leave as is. Perhaps the 4D modelshop sell the same timber...I think they have 3mm ply but I only bought this to save shipping large packages from the UK...

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and will you be adding 3rd rail

 

Nick - Sorry I missed this one - Yes, definately third rail but haven't thought how to do it yet...expect a PM shortly...:D

 

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Very clever Pete. I do not know what the material is but I do know that John Allison built an 0 gauge layout on a plywood baseboard. People have strange ideas of the strength needed in a baseboard perhaps they expect it to support themselves, and thickness is no guarantee of flatness- just see some of the warped floor joists on sites.

Don

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Nice one Pete. Like the extra flappy bit for the bay line.

 

I'm wondering how you hold the non hinged side of the join closed and whether you will be adding anything to hold the flappy tracks in alignment while the layout is in use.

 

Regards, Andy

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Very clever Pete. I do not know what the material is but I do know that John Allison built an 0 gauge layout on a plywood baseboard. People have strange ideas of the strength needed in a baseboard perhaps they expect it to support themselves, and thickness is no guarantee of flatness- just see some of the warped floor joists on sites.

 

Thanks Don - It seems ok but I might add a few strengtheners beneath...it's an immediate improvement on the Kyle foam board ones though...

 

Nice one Pete. Like the extra flappy bit for the bay line.

I'm wondering how you hold the non hinged side of the join closed and whether you will be adding anything to hold the flappy tracks in alignment while the layout is in use.

 

Thanks Andy - the flappy bits for the through line not the bay but if I don't crack a plan for increasing the width of the fiddleyards it will become another bay :laugh:

 

For closure of non hinged side I will drill a simple hole and bolt through between the two boards to keep them secure (another lesson learnt from Kyle Mk I) whilst I am assuming (hoping) that the hinged flap will remain aligned due to the small downstand supports that are integrated. I am considering laying the tracks across the join and then disc slitting them...but I will review that nearer the time. My immediate next worry is building a single Easitrac turnout...which on Kyle I made a right mucking fuddle of... :O

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Some very neat woodwork there. Looking forward to seeing some more progress!

 

Thanks Jeremy - perhaps you will get to see it at BHMRC 2013 ;)

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Thanks Jeremy - perhaps you will get to see it at BHMRC 2013 ;)

 

That would be great! Let me know the dates nearer the time and I'll definitely be there.

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Let me know the dates nearer the time and I'll definitely be there.

 

Great - Saturday 11 May 2013 :D

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Hi Pete. Very neat build, and a very interesting material. Tomorrow I will go to the local DIY store and ask to see some grilled lime. If there's any doubt I'll tell them there's a chap in Barcelona who uses grilled lime for serial layout building. That should clear up any confusion ;-)

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Very neat build, and a very interesting material. Tomorrow I will go to the local DIY store and ask to see some grilled lime. If there's any doubt I'll tell them there's a chap in Barcelona who uses grilled lime for serial layout building. That should clear up any confusion ;-)

 

Mikkel, hi - Many thanks - It's good to see you back on here posting :yes:

 

 

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Jon, hi - Thanks - its called plancha tilo...which translates as 'grilled lime' :laugh:

Don't think its balsa as it seems stronger and I wouldn't have taken it otherwise - lets see as you say...glad the sun came out...hope it stays too.

 

 

 

Thanks Tom - Yep...2 years and I was in danger of faffing so its good to bring it forward a year...if the track is down by crimble then maybe Santa will leave a 56 in the stocking... ;)

The material is Limewood from the Lime tree; the full details are in the trusty Wikipedia but briefly the stuff is what the soundbox bit of an acoustic guitar is made from. Also what fine wooden slatted blinds are made from. Very stable dimensionally, FAR stronger than balsa, but as bcnPete says, nifty to work......

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