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Last of the First - Part 5


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In the previous installment the etches for the D600 bogies had just arrived in the post leaving me wondering whether I could actually build a bogie from them...

 

Thankfully it turns out that I can :)

 

Some of you will have seen the partially completed bogie at the AGM on Saturday (and a jolly good day it was too). I had hoped to have two bogies built, painted and on the loco before Saturday, but the etches arrived rather later than I had planned so it was too big an ask. Instead D604 had to go on show (again) with its class 47 bogies but the competition judge still liked it enough to award it a pot, as did the assembled members. I'm now glad that I was talked into entering it - thanks Chris.

 

I'm now progressing at a rather less hurried pace. The first bogie is almost fully assembled. Here's a picture of it sitting near a photo of a rather bigger version.

 

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I was worried about a lot of the issues in the various 'how to' guides - mainly whether the thing would actually prove possible to build. Actually most of the things I was worrying about turned out just fine. Partly this may have been because I printed the most critical artwork out at double size and stuck it to some 0.5mm card so that I could mock up the parts and test things out in three dimensions before sending the artwork off to PPD...

 

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The main things that went wrong were those things that I didn't think about while drawing the artwork. I made the classic finescale mistake of scaling chassis components from the prototype and forgetting that our wheels need rather more clearance than the prototype ones, particularly to avoid short circuits. This was solved by building the sideframes using five layers instead of the six I had drawn. Then for some unknown reason while designing the front end of the bogie I temporarily forgot about the big lump of Farish plastic that was going to be sat in the middle of the bogie and put some bits of metal where the plastic would be and had to resort to chopping bits off the etch to rectify the problem. My test with the card didn't pick these problems up because I didn't have a twice real size Farish bogie to try it on.

 

Finally, a photo of it under D604. Sorry about the flash bounce (and the slightly non-level body) but at least you can see all of the springy bits this way. You can also see that the Farish bogie wheelbase is just a tad short. I knew about this beforehand and compensated by doing the etch to 2mm scale rather than 'N', but I didn't want to mess up the dimensions any further. It's been a lot of work to get this far, but I'm rather pleased with the results.

 

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Update: I've been puzzling about the space between the back of the bogie and the battery boxes. There is stuff going on in there on the prototype but no detail is

visible in most photos. The rear air cylinders were also 'whereabouts unknown' - I was pretty sure that they should be there somewhere because they were present on the EM2 version of the Ivatt bogie and also on the 2 axle variant used on the class 22.

 

I think that I've now figured out what's going on - the back end is not (as I guessed when drawing the etch) a mirror of the front. The air cylinders sit on top of the transom facing backwards and tucked well underneath the body. They are just visible in the NBL factory photo if you look very hard. They should hide the retaining clip nicely. There is also a vertical rocker shaft outboard of these that I'll represent with some brass rod.

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Evening Andy,

 

That it a nice piece of work and looks great under D604.

 

Beautifully finished loco with a close atention to detail.

 

Cheers,

 

Mark

 

 

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You're right to be pleased with yourself - that's looking very nice Andy.

 

And congrats again for scooping a cup at the AGM

 

Nice to see the crisp card mock up too... :yes:

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That is absolutely gorgeous!

Fantastic work there, I'm getting so tempted by 2mm but, . . . with my eyesight??

Cheers,

John E.

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Looking great Andy, your two pots at the AGM were well deserved. It was also a pleasure to host 604 and the 22 on Tucking Mill - the first of many guests on the layout I hope.

 

Jerry

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And congrats again for scooping a cup at the AGM

 

CHECK - I forgot...it was two cups ;)

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Thank you all for the nice comments.

 

Nice to see the crisp card mock up too... :yes:

Superb work! That card mock up is pretty impressive too!

Definitely something I would recommend to anyone designing their own etch - it's a lot cheaper and quicker to find mistakes using card than nickel silver.

 

It was also a pleasure to host 604 and the 22 on Tucking Mill - the first of many guests on the layout I hope.

I have no doubt that there will be plenty more. A lovely layout. Looking forward to seeing it finished (as if any layout ever is) at Warley.

 

Fantastic work there, I'm getting so tempted by 2mm but, . . . with my eyesight??

 

Go for it. I'm guessing from your 'handle' that your interests lie on the other side of the pond, so the possibilities of 'train in the landscape' should really work well for you and the Association's wheel turning person (Gordon) has proved his ability to turn down wheels from US loco chassis. You should also check out North West Short Line for replacement rolling stock wheels, but try in small numbers first - some of their flanges are actually smaller than the 2mm finescale standard. They will run through 2mm pointwork, but are rather less tolerant of any gauge errors.

 

Regards, Andy

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Woohoo. Your coil springs look like springs, are they?

 

The cup(s) were well deserved. I had to look at the description to see that the body was not a moulding, as I originally thought. Rather unfair of my brain on your skills because the body does look better than the mouldings currently being produced by manufacturers IMHO.

 

One further question: Now you have replaced the body and the bogie side frames what more do you have to replace for it to be a kit/scratchbuild with a chassis, rather than a conversion?

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Great model, really nice to see it at the AGM. Also congrats on the cups, richly deserved I feel.

 

Alex.

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Woohoo. Your coil springs look like springs, are they?

Sort of. 5 amp fuse wire coiled around a 1mm drill. The etch provides a spindle to mount them on, plus pads for top and bottom.

 

While drawing the etch I did actually fathom out how the real suspension works and toyed briefly with the idea of providing for working equalising beams and moving axleboxes but common sense prevailed.

 

The cup(s) were well deserved. I had to look at the description to see that the body was not a moulding, as I originally thought. Rather unfair of my brain on your skills because the body does look better than the mouldings currently being produced by manufacturers IMHO.

 

Thanks. I think etched bodies have strengths and weaknesses for diesels - they really make near-flush glazing (without nasty lensing effects) easy and almost demand that you do something to model the cooling fans (with thanks to Pete Thorpe for the really fine mesh material) but recent mouldings definitely win when it comes to really fine detail around body openings and such like. Mounting all metal bodies on a cast split frame chassis also presents its challenges.

 

One further question: Now you have replaced the body and the bogie side frames what more do you have to replace for it to be a kit/scratchbuild with a chassis, rather than a conversion?

 

Who do you think I am? Stephen Harris or something?

 

Seriously, it is something that I would consider but this particular project has already accounted for a lot of modelling time. The loco is intended for hauling main line trains and the Farish chassis, suitably overhauled, while not quite in the same league as more recent pin point bearing chassis does that job well enough. The draw of other projects likely means that D604 will stay Farish powered for the foreseeable future.

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One further question: Now you have replaced the body and the bogie side frames what more do you have to replace for it to be a kit/scratchbuild with a chassis, rather than a conversion?

 

I just read the question more carefully. The answer is quite a lot - that most of the original Farish chassis is intact, barring a few bits that I sawed off because they were in the way and one replacement (shorter) driveshaft. The bogie sideframes are mostly cosmetic - the only jobs they do are to provide some control over side and vertical play of the wheels and to provide a coupling mount. Replacing the mechanical bits would be a big piece of work... and the result would likely still have similar friction characteristics to the Farish original.

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Seriously, it is something that I would consider but this particular project has already accounted for a lot of modelling time. The loco is intended for hauling main line trains and the Farish chassis, suitably overhauled, while not quite in the same league as more recent pin point bearing chassis does that job well enough. The draw of other projects likely means that D604 will stay Farish powered for the foreseeable future.

 

Just to add to this - the testing of running qualities for the AGM competition was done on Tucking Mill and D604 ran beautifully. So long as it is acceptable aesthetically I see no need to replace the works.

 

Jerry

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Just to add to this - the testing of running qualities for the AGM competition was done on Tucking Mill and D604 ran beautifully.

 

That's interesting - I didn't know that. I guess it was using your Pentroller then? Was it on the iron core setting?

 

I'm always interested to see how my stuff runs on different controllers. I use an old and slightly modified AMR handheld, mainly because we found these to produce excellent running with Farish mechanisms back when we were hawking Helsby, Tumill and Haddon around the exhibition circuit. The AMR is generally regarded as pretty crude and may or may not be safe for coreless motors so I am open to better options.

 

The main reason I haven't over to the DCC side is that I tested both an inexpensive and a top-end Lenz decoder in a couple of my locos and the quality of control could not match what I get with the AMR. Fiddling with pulse shapes helped but I just couldn't get it to the same level so the decoders were removed and have been gathering dust in a drawer ever since.

 

I guess that Pentrollers are now just as unavailable as AMR handelds so it's a slightly academic question.

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