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RT Models make etched sandbox pull rods for panniers.

 

Paul.

Hi Mark,

 

Very nice indeed. I've ordered some of the RT Models sandbox pull rods (after having been alerted to them by Brinkly), but they haven't arrived yet.

 

Will you also be adding the handrail on the footplate above the front steps?

 

I'd also be tempted to change the vac pipes on the Bachmann model. One final thing I'm looking into (am about to do 3737 in P4 shortly), is whether the 'simple' steps on the fronts of the panniers were actually changed for the later pattern, or even had the later pattern fitted from new...? (the 'later pattern' steps are similar, if not identical, to those on the fireman's side of the bunker). Fairly straightforward to cut some out from thin brass sheet and bend up.

RT Models make etched sandbox pull rods for panniers.

 

 

Thanks Paul for the link.  Yes, I'm aware of these and am considering going down this route though see addendum to post this eve.

 

Cheers,

 

Mark

 

Very nice indeed. I've ordered some of the RT Models sandbox pull rods (after having been alerted to them by Brinkly), but they haven't arrived yet.

 

 

Thanks CK,

 

I may order some of the RT ones depending on how my home made affairs turn out. See the photo above.  Think Robert must either be away or snowed under because I ordered some bits from him towards the end of March that haven't arrived either.

 

 

 

Will you also be adding the handrail on the footplate above the front steps?

 

 

Blimey Tim are you reading my mind?  To be honest I wasn't thinking of adding those handrails but the more I've looked at pictures of 57xx's the more noticable they become so the answer is yes I will be. 

 

 

 

..............................am about to do 3737 in P4 .....

 

A Forest engine no doubt  .  I've a set of numberplates for 3737 along with 8745. I planned modelling a layout based around Whimsey-those Berry Wiggins tanks again many years a go.  That's why I like Albion Yard so much because Paul has captured the spirit of the Forest so well.

 

Agree with you too as to changing vac pipes. I'd never realised the pattern of steps changed at the front of these Panniers. Was this applicable to GWR locos? I can see the difference looking at prototype photos (Can be may made out in the photo above).

 

Cheers,

 

Mark

Here's me thinking the Bachmann model was decent.Does my 3796 need these additions too then.

Here's me thinking the Bachmann model was decent.Does my 3796 need these additions too then.

 

I always think the Bachmann Pannier-both of them is a decent model and captures the protoype well

 

Though a bit of hine tuning may be required here and there

 

Like I said in my post Robin I wasn't planning on going down this route of full detailing, It's kind of just happened!

 

Cheers,

 

Mark

I also think that the Bachmann pannier - both versions - is a fundamentally fine model. It's origins lie, however, in the past (Mainline), when detail such as the handrails I've mentioned weren't always considered necessary, let alone lamp irons etc.

 

As regards the steps on the front of the panniers, I've yet to see an '8750' type (ie. any of these panniers with the larger cab) with anything other than the 'later' type of step on the pannier fronts (source = The Pannier Papers - various).

 

Some of the 57XX type (ie. with the older, lower cab roof) did make it into BR days with the earlier type of front step, as modelled by Mainline/Bachmann, although equally some had the later step (presumably something put on when they were in works?).

 

Having said that, it really is a small thing, and I noticed the other day that I hadn't changed the steps on my own 4634...

 

One note of caution, Mark, re 8745 (yes, a Forest pannier and one I would have liked to have modelled) is that she had rivetted tanks, which do rather stand out. I believe Tim Venton may have modelled a rivetted pannier, by making overlays for the Bachmann model, but I'll let him comment on that. As a result, I looked for other 57XX types, that had welded tanks, for my own 'Forest' panniers!...

Thanks for the link to the Albion Yard blog - some interesting reading there.

 

As the Captain says, I did indeed do 8744, a Westbury engine, with riveted tanks. Quite crudely done it was, i used a suitable gear wheel with 5 thou plastic. Cut off the pipework, before putting back on with styrene rod. well worth it, makes a very different loco.

 

I don't know whether 7714 on the Severn Valley still has riveted tanks - it certainly did when I saw it once, but they were missing when I saw it again. Worth a look for the experience.  

 

One note of caution, Mark, re 8745 (yes, a Forest pannier and one I would have liked to have modelled) is that she had rivetted tanks, which do rather stand out. I believe Tim Venton may have modelled a rivetted pannier, by making overlays for the Bachmann model, but I'll let him comment on that. As a result, I looked for other 57XX types, that had welded tanks, for my own 'Forest' panniers!...

 

Thanks Tim for pointing that out re: 8745.  I never realised there was a variance in the 57xx tanks you learn something new everyday.  The other 57xx I'm planning on doing is Newton Abbot's 5798 shedded there in around 1946. Did this one have rivets too?

 

As for those front steps I was looking through 'Great Western Steam' (Arlett and Lockett, 2010) which contains photos from the Norman Lockett archive and there is a shot of 9770 taken in 1939 on a Milbay-Yelverton train at Clearbrook showing the modiified foot steps.

 

Guess I'll be modifying 9717 too. Also I've placed an order with RT Models for two set of sand box pulls now.

 

As the Captain says, I did indeed do 8744, a Westbury engine, with riveted tanks. Quite crudely done it was, i used a suitable gear wheel with 5 thou plastic. Cut off the pipework, before putting back on with styrene rod. well worth it, makes a very different loco.

 

 

Thanks Tim for the reply and the detailed approach on  how you did 8744. 

 

If I ever did 8745 in the future-we can but dream I remember this company and product from my aircraft modelling days. It is 1/48 scale though.

 

http://www.modeldesignconstruction.co.uk/mall/productpage.cfm/ModelDesignConstruction/_E48008/54282/Rivet%20Maker%201%2F48%20Scale

 

It's a rivet maker so might make things easier

 

Cheers,

 

Mark

Do you know what, I wonder whether you could use Archers rivet transfer sheets on a pannier tank?

I think you've suggested that one before, so what's stopping you?  Ready for the AGM?

I think you've suggested that one before, so what's stopping you?  Ready for the AGM?

 

Yes I think that CK trying Archers rivet transfers on a PT would be a nice idea-especially now he's neatly finished his Std 82xxx

OK, I think I see how this is shaping up...! I'll have a think about that - as it happens, I do have a 57XX body and spare Perseverence chassis in the box...

 

My RT order for the sandbox pull rods came this morning - they are very delicate but look the part, from a cursory first glance.

 

Yes, pretty much ready for the AGM, Tim, going to go over the floor plan with the assembled masses of DRAG this evening, all being well.

 

 

Edit - there's a good photo of 8745 in the Pannier Papers No.4, and it was a Bath Green Park engine for a while before going to Gloucester in 1964, so that makes it good for both the P4 layouts. So, I think I'll look a bit more into what Archers transfers can offer...

Hi Tim,

 

I'm looking forwards to this build.  Just as an incentive I'll provide a pair of original Jackson-Evans numberplates for 8745 if you like?

 

 I never realised she was a Bath engine. I thought she went to Gloucester from Weymouth (If my memory serves me correctly?). Be a useful engine as well though.

 

Cheers,

 

Mark

Just as an incentive I'll provide a pair of original Jackson-Evans numberplates for 8745 if you like?

Well, how can I refuse such a kind offer! That's very kind indeed, Mark.

 

She'll have to take her place in the queue, though, which means it won't be in the very near future!

My sandbox pull rods turned up this morning and like you said Tim they are very fine.  They certainly look better than my homemade affairs.

 

I'll PM you Tim re: the numberplates.

 

Cheers,

 

Mark

Glad both your orders have turned up, need to fit them to my own panniers now when I get the time!