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Dean Goods part 1 chassis construction


wenlock

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In between my plasticard dabblings I've made a start on my 7mm Dean Goods. I quite like having a couple of different projects on the go, when I've had enough of one, I can often muster up the enthusiasm to have a go at something else! As I enjoyed building the Martin Finney 2500 gallon tender kit, I decided to use a loco kit from the same manufacturer. The kit comprises of a number of Brass and Nickel Silver etched brass sheets, along with some very nice Brass and White Metal castings.

 

Etched brass and Nickel Silver etches

 

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Brass Castings

 

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White Metal Castings

 

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The building commenced by cutting out the the chassis sides and chassis spacers. 3 widths of spacers are included in the kit, allowing a chassis to be made that's suitable for Scale 7, Finescale, or Finescale with lots of room for side play! Once the "fret tags" had been cleaned up with a file the sides and spacers were soldered together using Carrs 188 Solder Paste.

 

Chassis

 

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The kit can be built with a rigid chassis, or hornblocks can be fitted to allow compensation. I like my locos to have sprung compensation and have had good results using Slaters Hornblocks, so I've decided to use them again. The hornblocks have to be assembled and it's worth spending some time ensuring that they slide smoothly. I've found that if you screw the limit adjuster screw fully home before you position the spring, then it's less likely to "ping" across the room!

 

Chassis & assembled hornblocks

 

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In order to position the Hornblocks correctly the coupling rods are used as jigs, this ensures that the correct axle spacing is maintained. The coupling rods are pivoted with a prototypical fork joint, allowing the wheels to rise and fall on their springs. The coupling rods are made from two laminations of Nickel Silver that are soldered together using solder paint. The resultant Nickel Silver/Solder/Nickel Silver sandwich is suprisingly strong, initially I was a bit concerned because the etched Nickel Silver is quite thin.

 

Coupling rod components

 

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Coupling Rods after lamination and cleaning up

 

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Once the rods had been cleaned, the fork pivot joint was drilled to take a 1.6mm nickel silver wire. This wire was then threaded through the forked joint and the end of the other coupling rod to allow the rods to pivot around this point. The instructions state that the wire should be soldered to the back of the rods to hold it in place. This worried me a bit, I could foresee capillary action flowing the solder all around the joint and locking the rods rigid, not ideal! I remembered reading somewhere that graphite made an excellent anti flux, but needed a way to keep it in position around the joint. I hit on the idea of using of using a fine oil mixed with graphite fillings that had been sanded off a pencil. This oil/graphite mix was applied around the joint, taking care not to cover the back of the rod where the solder was to go. Solder was applied using an iron, rather than my trusty miniflame and I was relieved to find that the anti flux had done it's job and the rods would still pivot.

 

Coupling rods and graphite anti flux

 

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Coupling rods after cleaning

 

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Before the hornblocks could be fitted, the chassis needed detailing. Etched brass overlays incorporating rivet detail were soldered to the outside of the frames, then the guard irons were formed and soldered in position. The springs were built up from brass laminations and these along with other detail parts such as brake hangers, and ashpan detail were soldered in position.

 

Frames with overlays in position.

 

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Close up of frame detail.

 

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The frames were now ready to have the hornblocks fitted. To ensure that the axle spacing remains consistent, I like to do one pair of horn blocks at a time using the central axle as a reference point. The kit provides brass top hat brass bearings that are used if you build the kit as a rigid chassis. A pair of these were temporarily fitted to the center axle holes and an extended jig axle was pushed through them. The rear axle frame was cut away on each side along the etched guide lines to give a square cut out large enough to accommodate the hornblock. An extended axle was then threaded through the rear pair of hornblocks, which were glued in position with Araldite 5 minute epoxy resin, using the coupling rods and center axle to dictate their position.

 

Rear hornblocks held in position by jig axles and coupling rods.

 

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Once the epoxy resin had set, the procedure was repeated for the front axle hornblocks, once again using the center axle, coupling rods and jig axles as reference points.

 

Front hornblocks held in position by jig axles and coupling rods.

 

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Once the front hornblocks had been fixed in position, the procedure was repeated for the center axle, using the front and rear hornblocks, coupling rods and jig axles as reference points.

 

Center hornblock held in position by jig axles and coupling rods.

 

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Once the centre axle hornblock had set in position, the coupling rods were removed along with the jig axles. After checking that the hornblocks still slid smoothly in their guides, the chassis was then put to one side while work could begin on preparing the wheels before fitting.

 

I hope you've enjoyed the build so far, the next post will cover fitting the wheels, brakes, pick ups and motor/gearbox.

 

Best wishes

 

Dave

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  • RMweb Gold

I think you could be right, I've got a spare cab, footplate, firebox and smoke box wrapper so far!

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There's that MRJ Compedium no.3 article which showed how someone did build two out of one kit, in OO, with working inside motion......

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  • RMweb Gold

I'm not brave enough to tackle inside motion in 7mill let alone 4 mill!

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  • RMweb Gold

Lovely neat work, Dave. Looks like a work of art already. I assume it will have roundtopped firebox?

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  • RMweb Gold

Hi Mikkel, oh yes! Round topped firebox, polished dome and Indian Red frames. Is there any other livery lol! I'm modelling number 2467 as running circa 1905, I think you'll probably approve!

Dave

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  • RMweb Gold

Can't wait! :-)

 

I see that the dome is matt as supplied. So you will polish it yourself I suppose. It seems difficult to get them ready-polished these days, in 4mm at least.

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  • RMweb Gold

Yes the dome and other fittings will need to be polished. I use abrasive impregnated rubber wheels, bristle brushes and cotton mops to polish mine. You can get them through dental suppliers, or somewhere like Eileen's Emporium. Once they've been polished, I airbrush on some clear gloss varnish to stop the brass tarnishing.

 

Glad you're enjoying the build.

 

Dave

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Excellent textbook stuff, Dave. I like the method of using the etched hole for the centre axle for the longitudinal setting of the outer axle hornblocks, but, in placing and setting those outer hornblocks, what screw setting do you use on them to ensure their vertical position aligns with that centre axle etched hole? Or, in other words, for wheels of a particular diameter (unknown at this constructional stage of proceedings) how much leeway above and below the kits's 'axle datum' do you allow for when eventually adjusting the buffer ride height?

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Concerning the thinness of the rods, here's a good shot (and fortunately in this case an outside-framed Dean Goods) showing how thin they were, but note the boss thickness, back and front, on the crankpins: 
http://warwickshirerailways.com/gwr/gwrls2086b.htm

For the vertical height of rods, pre-1920 Dean Goods rods are shallower than later fitted ones, and the fishbelly is less pronounced in the earlier ones. Compare 2386 c 1914 and 2347 with the preserved 2516.

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  • RMweb Gold

Hi Miss P, the Slaters hornblocks have a screw that allows around 4mm of adjustment from full closed down to fully open. I set the screws to their halfway point on each of the hornblocks before I fix them in position. Before I cut the frames to allow for the hornblocks, I mark the horizontal centreline of the axles on the frame sides either side of the area to be cut out. I can then use these line as guides when glueing the hornblocks in position. Once the chassis is finished I set the outer hornblock screws to adjust the ride height and then undo the centre hornblock screws a couple of turns more to ensure they can rise above that datum. I hope the makes sense, I certainly found it harder to write than do!

 

Thanks for the great pictures of the loco's, they really do show how thin these rods were.

 

Best wishes

 

Dave

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I hope the makes sense, I certainly found it harder to write than do!

 

Not only makes sense, Dave, it made very sensible sense as well.

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  • RMweb Gold

Thanks for the info on polished domes, Dave.

 

Miss P, that first photo from Leamington Spa is superb, thanks for sharing it.

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  • RMweb Gold

I've just been drooling over that fabulous picture from Leamington Spa as well, loads of fabulous detail well worth studying.

Dave

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