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Dean Goods part 2 wheels, brakes and pickups!


wenlock

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I've standardised on Slaters wheels for all my stock, I'm sure there are better ones out there, but Slaters are easily available, come in most sizes and have a consistent profile. I have heard that some people have found them to be prone to rusting and oxidation, I must be lucky as I've had no problems so far! I like to blacken my wheels chemically and find that I get a better finish by polishing the wheels before I apply the blackening solution. Carrs Metal Black for steel was applied using a cotton wool bud and then washed off with water about a minute after application. I always wear latex gloves when using blackening solutions, there are some pretty dodgy chemicals involved! The blackened wheels are then polished with a soft cotton mop to give a nice even patina.

 

Wheels before and after Blackening

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The jig axles were then removed from the chassis and replaced with the wheel/axle sets. I like to lubricate the axles at this stage and then spin each wheel to ensure that everything spins freely, before testing the chassis under power.

 

Wheels and axles in situ

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Once I was happy that there were no tight spots and that the chassis rolled smoothly down a gentle incline, I fitted the coupling rods and repeated the process again checking for any tight spots. One of the advantages of the Slaters wheels, is that the axles have machined square ends, meaning that quartering the wheels is really simple to achieve. As all was in order and the wheels turned smoothly, I then fitted the motor/gearbox in position and tested under power on my rolling road. I used a combination Maxon can motor with an ABC gearbox http://www.abcgear.talktalk.net/ , which although expensive I've found give really good results.

 

Testing under power

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Once everything had bedded down on the rolling road and I was happy with the running of the chassis, the wheels and axles were removed and the chassis drilled to take Slaters sprung plunger pickups. I used to use wire pickups rubbing on the back of the wheels in my 4mm days, but found they got dirty very quickly and needed a fair amount of adjustment. The sprung plunger type seem to work well, though its important you set them so that they don't exert too much pressure on the back of the wheels.

 

Holes drilled for pickups

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Chassis with plunger pickups

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The plunger pickups were glued in position using 5 minute epoxy resin, once this had cured the tags used to attatch the feed wires were fixed in position using the supplied brass nuts.

 

Plunger pickups fixed in position

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The wheels were then put back in position and once again the chassis was checked for smooth running.

Wheels back in situ

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If you read the earlier entry in my blog about the tender construction http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/blog/1131/entry-11444-dean-goods-2500-gal-tender-part-2/ for this loco, you'll know of my adversion to brake blocks made of a conductive material. The brakes were duplicated as before and poured in acrylic resin, which when set was cleaned up and drilled 0.8mm to take the the brass wire that would be used to set up the brake gear.

 

Duplication of brakes

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0.8mm brass wire was cut over length and threaded through the chassis, brake hangers and pull rods, making sure that none of the components were stopping the wheels from turning. Particular attention was needed at the rear of the chassis where the pull rods go behind and in front of the wheels. It's also important at this stage that the brakes are set up with the compensation springs compressed, using a weight or in this case a large index finger! Once I was happy with the position, solder or epoxy resin was used to hold the components in place.

 

Brake assembly

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Compressing compensation springs

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Close up of chassis rear

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Any excess locating wire was trimmed back and then the sand pipes were fitted, this sees the chassis more or less completed.

 

Completed chassis

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I'm looking forward to making a start on the footplate and superstructure, hopefully it will start to look like a Dean Goods then!

 

Dave

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Just like the real thing with the plain bearings suspended inside the frame. This is precise engineering, Dave. Using plungers obviously stops the wheels from running out of true with each other and stops any unnecessary wear on the connecting rods - great idea. Always seems a pity that exacting work like this will never seen once the loco is complete. If you carry on applying the same amount of precision to the rest of the build then this'll be a smashing engine. My hats off to anyone that can confidently build kits to this level - it must be immensely satisfying? Very much looking forward to seeing this develop.

 

Mike

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Always seems a pity that exacting work like this will never seen once the loco is complete. 

I disagree with that sentence (but agree with all the others) for the results of the exacting work will be seen when the loco is complete, as it will move well and indeed more like the real thing than a model quickly thrown together.

I say this to encourage more people to have a go at lifting their engineering standards, despite the fact that the work will not be obvious - but it would be obvious if the work put in was not exacting.

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Hi Dave great work so far. I really like your idea on the brake shoes and hangers. What resin is it that you use? I used to make silicon molds for casting whitemetal when I built in 4mm. So that side would not be a problem. Have you thought about just casting the shoes?

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Hi Mike, thanks for the positive comments, I'm glad you're enjoying the build. You're quite right about the satisfaction gained from getting things right, I can't however take much off the credit. The Finney kit is very well thought out and I've really just followed the instructions. Iain Rice's book on chassis construction taught me all I know about the subject, I really like his pragmatic approach. Anyone contemplating building a chassis with or without hornblocks, would be well advised to get hold of a copy in my opinion. Although you are quite right that most of the work won't be seen when the loco is finished, I think getting the foundations right adds to the satisfaction when the loco is finally finished.

 

Hi Simon, I think we're singing from the same hymn sheet! Getting a model to move smoothly and look as if it has the mass and weight of the prototype is exactly what I'm trying to achieve.

 

Hi N15, the acrylic resin that I use is called Palavit G, it's used in the Dental Industry. As an alternative I've also had success using resins designed for making paper weights. As far as I can remember I got mine from the local Hobbycraft.

I usually do just cast the shoes, particularly if the kit has etched brass hangers, but on this occasion the kit had one piece white metal castings, so I just duplicated those!

 

Best wishes to all of you

 

Dave

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I remember the paperwieght resin, I used it as a kid many years ago. I also had some silicon for molds that could be heated and reused.

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Fantastic Dave, not just from a technical POW but also aesthetically!

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Really lovely work Dave. 

 

Look forwards to the next post.

 

Cheers,

 

Mark

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Superb bit of engineering there Dave - very impressed

 

Looking forward to seeing it running.

 

Cheers pal

Roger

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Looking forward to seeing it running.

 

Thanks Rog , you and me both!  Looking forward to the 28th as well matey!

 

Dave

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Yep! Shall we go in boiler suits & flat cap? "by 'eck lad"   -  like a bad Mony Python sketch!

 

I'm still dithering on the hows and maybes on circling the railway room with a "test track" - would be great for watching trains and running in a Dean Goods...

with a pint or 2 of course.  (BTW - Lidel are doing Jennings "Cock a Hoop" for 99p a bottle!)

 

mmmm Dads Delight!

Roger

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Looking superb Dave; the Dean goods were lovely machines.

 

I'm intrigued that you've gone 3/4 of the way towards split axle pickup by using the excellent Slater's insulated hornguides, but then finished off with plungers. I've been using the same lathe-free method Steph Dale describes here for years with much success. In fact on tender locos with inside frames (or an inside sub-frame) I now keep the engine itself electrically dead and split axle pickup from the tender only. Another slight difference is that although I've never had the Araldite on the hornguides fail, I still  take the belt and braces approach by putting through a 14BA CSH bolt through on the centre line of the ride height.

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Hi Adrian, now that's a really clever idea!  I'm not sure why it hasn't occoured to me, now you've pointed it out it does seems an obvious solution!  It's certainly food for thought on the next project, the method of making split axles is ingenious as well.  Is there a clever method for making an insulated driven axle, so that the motor doesn't bridge the insulation gap?  I'm glad to hear you've never had an Araldite/hornblock joint fail, sounds like so far both of us have been lucky!

 

Best wishes

 

Dave

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The great thing about split axles is once they're done there's never any need to tweak or fiddle with them - if electrical pickup becomes erratic you know it can only be down to dirty wheels.

 

The easiest thing is to ask Brian at ABC to build the gearboxes with insulated bearings which he does for no extra charge :)

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Thanks Adrian, I wish i'd known all that before I built the chassis!  Still there's always the next loco to try it out on, always good to have something new to have a go at.

 

Dave

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The acrylic resin home-moulding idea is a good one. I can see loads of people trying it out for themselves now.

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The acrylic resin home-moulding idea is a good one. I can see loads of people trying it out for themselves now.

Hi Horsetan, I hope people do have a go at home moulding, it's really easy to master and can be a useful and versatile technique.

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