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Chipping a Terrier


ChrisG

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blog-0730925001374069768.jpgI took the bull by the horns this morning in order to start experimenting with my ZTC DCC kit, and bought a secondhand Hornby Terrier from Alton Model Centre. I managed to shoehorn a decoder inelegantly into the cab. This involved removing the floor of the cab (in fact I removed more than was needed there is now a gap between the footplate and cabsides). There was some rewiring of the inside of the loco, but the job was comparatively easy. This chip only has four wires (which helps) but no doubt it is bigger than a modern equivalent would be. There is no room for the original weight which was in the bunker and toolbox, so I must replace that with some lead sheet. If the decoder were sprayed black it would be less obtrusive, and the addition of crew, especially leaning out of the cab door, would improve things further.

 

As for what I think of DCC - well the jury is still out. I imagine modern systems are easier to use than ZTC, which seems to lose all memory of the loco once it is turned off, needing a complete reprogramme every time I turn it on. That cannot be right.............................! Lots to learn, obviously.

 

Progress today also on the control panel for the hidden sidings.

 

 

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Chris

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  • RMweb Gold

Neat work, Chris. I don't know ZTC but on the face of it, it doesn't sound right that you would need to reprogram each time you switched on the unit. Does that mean that the address defaults to 3 each time?

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It does seem to default to 3. But I came back later and it worked first time, though it had defaulted to 28 speed steps instead of 128. I suspect there are some concepts I haven't understood yet. Another foible seems to be when running in DC mode (which is needed for my automated staging sidings) the loco gets stuck running in one direction and wont reverse.  I will persevere. Believe it or not I know next to nothing about DCC and need to catch up fast!

 

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  • RMweb Gold

I was on that DCC learning curve not too long ago. I wouldn't say that I know a lot more now, but you do learn some tricks and things to watch out for.

 

Regarding speed steps, as I understand it, when you select the number of steps via the DCC controller, that's just a temporary thing and won't be stored until the next running session. To lock in the number of speed steps, you need to go into the decoder programming itself (if the decoder supports it) and change the relevant CV.

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Ah - no doubt my decoders do NOT support that as they date from the first incarnation of ZTC.....  Like all things, DCC is obviously not the panacea it might appear to be and has its own foibles - which being digital and computerised, have a life of their own! Unlike good old mechanics and DC current which can usually be diagnosed and understood.

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Ah Barry - I've just re-read the ZTC advert for the mythical "upgrade" (latest estimated date July 2013, but there have been many others) and the upgraded controller (

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I went to the model shop this morning and discovered that current decoders are much smaller than my old ZTC ones. I came away with a Digitrax DZ125 which will definitely go in a Terrier with very little modification. So to answer the question which sparked off this thread, yes, you can put decoders in small IOW tank locos in 4mm scale.

 

 

Chris

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  • RMweb Gold

I've decided, for the sake of simplicity, to remove decoders from all my pre-nationalisation engines (those few I had converted) so that I can enjoy the simple pleasure of DC running now and again. I put a DPDT switch on my layout so I can swap between the DCC and DC controllers easily, and having done that four years ago I've yet to have a mishap. On the plus side I do think DCC is excellent for some applications, and I wouldn't want to be without it for diesels with lights and sound-equipped locos, but as you say it's not the panacea it's sometimes claimed to be. By the way, the DZ125 decoders are great for tight spaces - I used one in a Bachmann N class.

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