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A Sense of Place


D869

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... or maybe plaice!

 

It's been bugging me for a while that South Yard has a rather dull backscene. It's also a bit low now that the new lighting rig is in position so I've been thinking about doing something about it.

 

Now South Yard is a real place in Plymouth (or rather Devonport, Stoke Damerel or 'Dock' depending on how old fashioned you want to be). The name refers to the southern half of the Royal Naval dockyard and my layout is set just outside the dockyard wall. Having done a spot of research originally using an OS map, I noticed that there are some quite nice views of Plymouth Sound and the Cremyll peninsula to be had not far away from my setting so I thought that something along these lines would make for a nicer backscene.

 

So in an idle moment a week or two back I started plodding around the area on Google Streetview to see if I could get the right perspective for my backscene. To cut a long story short, I can't. There is a hill in the way with an old garrison built into it - now a housing estate but a road leads down close to the dockyard wall and terminates on a quay. It's possible to drive Streetview down there and look out over the harbour. Cue the first set of screenshots. These also show the very edge of the old roofed slip inside the dockyard. I've been trying to figure out how to get this into the backscene but I don't think it will fit with the yard wall.

 

In my notional world the station is near to the brow of the hill allowing the viewer to look over the top and see the harbour beyond so the quayside views are too low down. I found some views from a road on Mount Wise which are from a higher elevation - probably too high and not quite in the right place. Cue the second set of screenshots.

 

Some cropping and stitching together with Gimp followed, then scaling to (roughly) the right width and printing onto two bits of A4 so that the result could be tried out on South Yard. I slightly squished the high angle photos vertically as a quick way to simulate a slightly lower viewpoint. The prints are black and white as recommended by Martin Goodall in his MRJ article on the Burford backscenes... also because the printer is playing up when used in colour mode.

 

The photos were tried out at various heights to see what looked best. Here are the results...

 

From the quayside - right location but too low down...

 

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A promising start if you ignore the white van etc!

 

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Lower is perhaps better

 

From Mount Wise - higher up but not quite the right location. I also seem to have clobbered the coal yard office...

 

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Too high and distracting

 

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I quite like this one

 

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I like this one too - on the plus side it puts the end of the bridge in the sky but it loses some interesting parts of the waterside on the left.

 

The eventual backscene will be a painted affair based on a combination of the two images - the viewpoint from the quay but with the perspective from the higher angle. One conundrum is how to deal with the edges where the backscene meets the road bridge and yard wall. Keeping the horizon low will solve the road bridge problem but the yard wall is a more tricky proposition.

 

It remains to be seen how successful I am at turning these ideas into a real painted backscene.

 

EDIT: I thought it would be good to see what effect the backscene has on South Yard's role as 'photo plank'. Here are the results. Perhaps a little distracting in the straight side-on view but not too bad otherwise... and I can always keep the plain backscene as a standby.

 

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How come backscenes seem to cause us so many problems???

 

Answers on a postcard please :)

 

My own answer is that we're (mostly) modellers used to working in 3 dimensions rather than artists dealing with perspective on a flat canvas. Of course our life is further complicated by the fact that we have a 3d model joined up to the front of our 2d backscene. There are so many things to get wrong - perspective, scale (things on the backscene bigger than the models in front of them), colour, shadows being cast... the list goes on.

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My own answer is that we're (mostly) modellers used to working in 3 dimensions rather than artists dealing with perspective on a flat canvas. Of course our life is further complicated by the fact that we have a 3d model joined up to the front of our 2d backscene.

 

Nice Bubble-car...

 

Why not make it more 3D then, using the Russell card build up method? Would a less harsh change between the embankment and backscene also be an improvement? as I think the one that is riding high blends in better.

 

Also is there a link to the mysterious location so that we can all see?

 

Chris.

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Nice touch Andy

 

Pic 4 or 5 for me personally.

 

Did you consider getting the photo mounted as I redid recently as opposed to getting your brushes out?

 

Can you sneak in a few curves at the ends as well...Since being 'pulled up for them' myself I am now a fan of them...

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Nice Bubble-car...

 

Why not make it more 3D then, using the Russell card build up method? Would a less harsh change between the embankment and backscene also be an improvement? as I think the one that is riding high blends in better.

 

Also is there a link to the mysterious location so that we can all see?

 

Chris.

 

No plans for any layering - everything interesting in the scene will be on the other side of the water so a flat backscene seems like the best choice, apart from which a layered one won't fit in the slot at the back of the layout.

 

I was puzzling how to bookmark in streetview but eventually found the little 'link' button. For some reason it goes to the satellite view first and then after a few seconds it jumps into streetview...

 

From the quay near to the dockyard

 

From Mount Wise

 

 

Nice touch Andy

 

Pic 4 or 5 for me personally.

 

Did you consider getting the photo mounted as I redid recently as opposed to getting your brushes out?

 

Can you sneak in a few curves at the ends as well...Since being 'pulled up for them' myself I am now a fan of them...

 

It's still possible that I might end up using a photo if the painting doesn't work out but none of the photos that I have just now are what I want in terms of viewpoint or lighting - the streetview ones have full cloud cover which doesn't fit with my sunny day lighting plans and the ones on geograph don't have a wide enough view.

 

Besides, I am looking at this as an opportunity to have a try at backscene painting which seems like an interesting thing to do. Editing images on a computer screen to stitch them together and rub out modern boats, lamp posts and so on seems like more of a chore.

 

Curving would be nice, but then it won't fit with the back of the layout. What I'd really like to do is have something that wraps all of the way around the right hand end as a backdrop for the dockyard wall, but I think that the die is cast already by the existing baseboard, apart from the fact that handling the dockyard buildings in perspective would be very difficult indeed and would almost certainly not work from other camera angles.

 

Regards, Andy

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Like it. I agree with bcnPete that 4 & 5 are the best.

 

I see that pictures 3 & 4 were taken recently, as the yard hut has lost it's roof in the storms.

 

Lisa

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Like it. I agree with bcnPete that 4 & 5 are the best.

I see that pictures 3 & 4 were taken recently, as the yard hut has lost it's roof in the storms.

:mosking:

 

Yes, something like 4 or 5 is what I'm after perspective-wise. In terms of viewpoint I want to be a bit further upstream which is A) more correct and B) gives a better view of the harbour mouth. We'll see if I can manage to blend the two together.

 

A quick experiment with water colours has proved (after a few attempts) not too disastrous but it's also proved to me that I want to use acrylics and have the option of covering over any mistakes. I've now completed a shopping expedition to acquire the acrylic colours as recommended by Mr Goodall... although he didn't have any sea on his backscene, so that's a bit of an unknown.

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Very nice, and a good idea to use Street View for images and inspiration! Another vote for nos 4 or 5 from me.

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