Great Tunsley Dale

 

by trains12

 

original page on Old RMweb

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Comment posted by Grimleygrid on Mon Sep 07, 2009 10:18 am

 

Great photos.

 

The buildings look very much at home on the layout, superb modelling. Really like the NR 37s passing by!

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??? posted on Tue Sep 08, 2009 9:59 pm

 

Hi 18B

Many thanks for the shot of the box before 2002.We have been looking for a clear shot for some time. What was intresting to note was that the frame was at the back of the box. It is one of the boxes in the area that I have not been in. The model has now had its roof fitted and the flocking on that board has been completed. I will post some shots in the next day or so. Could you help me? On page 10 of the thread is the track plan, could you advise on the signalling needed for it especially going over the cross over at South Jct (Great Rocks) and then into the yard. It is one area that I am not to well up on.

Peter

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Comment posted by 18B on Wed Sep 09, 2009 9:11 am

 

Morning

 

Signalling is a nightmare, a few things have been changed at Great Rocks,

 

the problem I can see with the crossover in front of the box is that because of the bridge it would make signal sighting difficult, to get around this either the signal would have to be on the other side of the bridge, or a co-acting double signal which could be seen from low down and from the other side of the bridge, not many (if any) of these type exist today.

 

Are you wanting coour lights though? for probably under resignalling it would have been replaced the other side of the bridge, whilst exiting the yard would simple ground position lights.

 

hope that helps

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Comment posted by 18B on Wed Sep 09, 2009 11:32 am

 

Given that Great Rocks. Peak Forest & Buxton etc are semaphore signals will Great Tunsley Dale also be semaphore?

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Comment posted by beast66606 on Wed Sep 09, 2009 11:39 am

 

Peter,

 

the flat roof on GRJ was a 1980s modification after - I think - its second fire, I think it was flat roofed prior to that after a 1970s fire, for steam era I *think* it was still a standard MR structure.

 

Signalling doesn't look a problem - if you want me to draw some diagrams I would be happy to help, and you know I've been interested in signalling for a mere 30+ years

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Comment posted by 18B on Wed Sep 09, 2009 11:49 am

 

The only problem with signalling a plan is the plethora of different ideas that are come up with.

 

Take the first question, how would you signal to line from out of the bridge in front of the model representing Great Rocks signal box? there's the facing crossover and line into the quarry?

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Comment posted by beast66606 on Wed Sep 09, 2009 11:57 am

 

I would agree that a number of different plans are possible, but the one thing that can be said is whats wrong, there are many "rights" in signalling - I have mused this with several friends who share the same fascination for signalling, one is GWR, one is LNER, I am LNWR/LMS/BR(LMR), one is a Network Rail signal design manager and we all agree - we know when it's wrong but there are plenty of rights, which is why I generally provide a generic (LNWR biased) plan when asked, for model purposes it's generally good enough anyway.

 

I will take a look at the whole layout if Peter wants me to - happy to discuss bits and bobs of the design then

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Comment posted by 18B on Wed Sep 09, 2009 12:04 pm

 

just wondered about the signal adjacent the box, for me it was semaphore it would either have to be a co-acting signal which could be seen from cab level once the box side of the bridge and a high set to be seen before the bridge, either that or the whole signal would be placed the other side the bridge?

 

What the configuration?

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??? posted on Thu Sep 10, 2009 7:17 pm

 

Hi Dave and 18B

Yes if either of you can help with the signalling it would be a great help.Working away all hours at present trying to complete it all for the Sept. 27th set up at Tal-y=Sarn. Have one main problem area some points into and out of the main hopper sidings . Just cannot find the short and why they dont work Just got ot finish paint the South Works and The main hopper buildings. Most of the flocking will be finished tomorrow. Then some more detailing over the weekend. After that it is just finish the layouts on the control panels.

Then it is all the weathering of the stock to do. Iam tempted to do what a custermer some years ago did. I was in the shop showing another modeller some wagons that had been weatherd when this he asked what it was. So it was stated that they had been weathered. Anyway about six weeks later he came in saying he did not think much of weathering stock as it was now rusted up and the engines did not work. You guessed it. He had placed three new Bachmann engines on the up stairs window sill outside to let the weather do its job.

Anyway here are a few more shots of the south box.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Comment posted by beast66606 on Thu Sep 10, 2009 11:03 pm

 

Peter,

 

I'm away at Farnborough show this weekend, I will have a doodle next week unless something else appears in the meantime..

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Comment posted by 18B on Mon Sep 14, 2009 9:21 pm

 

Hi

 

just noticed, in Railway Modeller April 1986 there's a picture of great Rocks and a short article on modelling the area.

 

RE: the rights and wrongs of signalling, it probably would be considered right that the whilst the section signal to Peak Forest shows a red, Peak's distant (directly below it) shines a bright yellow. Thus two aspects are shown together. Even when The section is off and shows a green, if Peak clear their Distant it too shows a green. i.e. TWO greens on the same post.

 

At Pinxton this arrangement also existed but the green lense was painted black so when Pinxton cleared their Section signal it went from red to black but then Sleight's East's distant would illuminate yellow, if it was cleared it would show a green. thus only one aspect was shown at one time, unlikeb Peak and Great Rocks where two can be seen on the same post.

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Comment posted by Grimleygrid on Tue Sep 15, 2009 7:32 am

 

The signal box looks very nice indeed especially now sitting in position. I can just imagine a triple grey 60 trundling passed on the Buxton Lime JGAs.......

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Comment posted by beast66606 on Tue Sep 15, 2009 7:44 am

 

Peter,

 

Do you have a larger version of the main track plan showing signal box locations ? - (fiddle yard not needed) - need to look at what you have and start splitting the plan into box control areas.

Can you clarify if you want semaphore or colour lights or mostly semaphore with the odd colour light or mostly colour light with the odd semaphore.

 

cheers,

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Comment posted by Gravy Train on Tue Sep 15, 2009 8:07 am

 

Hi Peter,

May i congratulate you on some really fine Architectural modelling, the subject makes all the difference i don't know how i have missed this thread but will follow it with interest and it is encouraging to know that someone else likes modelling buildings/Architecture and the like.

keep up the splended work.

 

cheers Peter L.

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??? posted on Tue Sep 15, 2009 11:14 am

 

Hi Dave

Attached plan marked with the three signal boxes in blue . We are going to use all semaphore at this stage as nearly all signals there are still semaphores. Also we will be running it in both steam and then Modern Image eras.

Many thanks

Peter

 

 

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??? posted on Tue Sep 15, 2009 11:25 am

 

Hi Peter

Many thanks for your comments. I am glad that you like it so far. If you can make it to North Wales on Sunday 27th Sept. to Talysarn this month the layout will be up and hopefully running to test it before its first show at Hazel Grove in October. The last few items , mainly the two large buildings the hopper and the south works are just in paining now. If you can make it or for that matter any one else ( it is an open house day even give a cup of tea/coffee and a biscut)and need directions just drop a line and I will post some.

Cheers Peter

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Comment posted by beast66606 on Tue Sep 15, 2009 3:40 pm

 

Peter,

 

I have numbered the boxes 1, 2 and 3 - left to right

 

Here's No.3 - the easy one, will need tweaking when I do the others

 

 

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Comment posted by 18B on Tue Sep 15, 2009 8:42 pm

 

Hi, like the signalling diagram, just to add, to make things slightly easier modelling wise, you could as has been done here use grounds discs for the shunt moves. Even on the mainline signal the sub for the yard has been replaced by two ground discs out here, up until the early 80's it was two smaller arms on the same post as the main signal.

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??? posted on Wed Sep 16, 2009 12:24 pm

 

Hi all

Just a small update on the progress. Still have not found the fault on the four points.Most of the flocking has been completed just two areas to do this week.Detailing is now in hand. Just the two large buildings to finish paint which is in hand now.Should all be ready to try it all out week this Sunday at Ta-y-sarn.

Peter

 

 

 

 

 

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??? posted on Thu Sep 17, 2009 7:33 pm

 

hi All just a few more shots of the to-date.

Peter

 

 

 

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Comment posted by beast66606 on Fri Sep 18, 2009 7:50 am

 

Peter,

 

have you noticed the signalling plan I have posted - above - I want to make sure you are happy with the simple one before I spend time on the more complex areas ?

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??? posted on Sat Sep 19, 2009 8:06 am

 

Hi Dave

yes it is fine. Thank you. Still working flat out to have it all ready for the 27th but still cant find the problem on the points.

peter

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Comment posted by beast66606 on Wed Sep 23, 2009 11:20 am

 

Is it the end with the diamond ? - if so then I would check that carefully.

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??? posted on Wed Sep 30, 2009 4:41 pm

 

Hi all

Well after a rather hectic weekend I am just gettinbg back to normal. We manage to sort out many problems but those dam points are still not working right. I am using seep PM4s with the switch on the and I think that on some of them there is not enough throw on the blades to allow the switch to make contact to the frog. Will now fit either a Peco switch or a small micro switch onto the point motor to power the frog.

I was also a smashing time on Monday (see photo) but that has now been repaired from all the bits.

Am still in the dog house due to the fact that the Sunday was my youngest doughters 18th Any way took the all night for a good meal.

Below are a number of shots taken over the three days Hope they are OK. Looking to start booking the layout into some shows now. Warley next year chaps???

See you at Hazel Grove 24/25th Oct.

Peter

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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??? posted on Thu Oct 01, 2009 8:58 pm

 

Hi all

Here are some more of the shots taken when setting up on the Sat. evening.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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