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Pre-grouping livery clippings

Mikkel

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Here are a couple of PDF files that may be of interest to pre-grouping modellers.

 

The first document is an 1896 article from Moore's Monthly Magazine (later renamed "The Locomotive") on British pre-grouping liveries. It includes brief livery descriptions for a number of the railways (but not all).

 

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MooresMonthlyLiveries.pdf

 

The second document is my personal selection of quotes and news items on GWR liveries and selected other liveries from the archives of the Railway Magazine during the period 1898-1924.

 

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RailwayMagazineLiveries_OK.pdf

 

 

A few notes:

 

Apart from the general observations on British and GWR liveries, the documents contain two key sources for the theory that GWR wagons were red until 1904. I'm a follower of this theory, but thought I'd have a look at the contemporary sources to see for myself. I have to say though that the references to wagon liveries are very brief, and to me emphasize the very scant attention given to wagons by railway observers of the time.

 

More generally speaking, this material also suggests to me that contemporary magazine articles are a somewhat problematic source of livery details. I can't help feeling that the livery descriptions herein seem rather subjective and not necessarily well researched. That said, the material does provide some snippets of information on various details of GWR loco and carriage liveries that I had not previously encountered.

 

I'll leave you to draw your own conclusions. If nothing else, it all gives a sense of the ethos of the time! Many thanks to the RMwebbers who have helped with this.

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On 07/11/2019 at 15:24, Regularity said:

I have the loco, and the coaches, but not yet the horsebox.

(Both the loco and the coaches are in need of a touch of TLC and repainting.)

 

Oh! Must be an exquisite train. I hope we get to see some photos one day.

 

1 hour ago, MikeOxon said:

I found this in my collection of photos but, unfortunately, I do not know its provenance.

 

Many thanks Mike,  nice combination with the Siphon. BTW those platform buildings  are very elaborately  detailed, quite intriguing.

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Mike's pic is somewhere on the Weymouth line, I think at the original Upwey station.

 

Here's 2282, new-ish (and with an ROD tender) on a southbound DN&S working at Upton and Blewbury in 1938, with a couple of horseboxes on the rear.


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18 hours ago, Mikkel said:

Oh! Must be an exquisite train.

I will post pictures as soon as I can, but maybe after some work.

Does anyone have any suggestions on overpainting green with red? If I can avoid stripping the current paint, that would speed things along.

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Red is not a good colour to over paint with. I usually go for a coat (or more) of white base in between. 

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Sorry, correction, Mike's pic is at Bleadon and Uphill station.

 

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On 12/11/2019 at 16:09, Regularity said:

Does anyone have any suggestions on overpainting green with red? If I can avoid stripping the current paint, that would speed things along.

 

On 12/11/2019 at 16:28, richbrummitt said:

Red is not a good colour to over paint with. I usually go for a coat (or more) of white base in between. 

 

Is there any particular reason a coat of black base wouldn't work?

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It takes more coats to paint red over black - the red is always dull and dark, in my experience. I'm thinking about brilliant reds e.g. buffer beams, signals here. Brown reds do not suffer the same. I treat red as a weak colour in the same way as yellow.

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