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Silver Sidelines

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I have been taking advantage of the Spring Sales and have bought myself a BR black engine driven Oxford Rail Dean Goods.

 

I bought my first Dean Goods back in 1985. It was a Mainline model with a tender drive. The perceived wisdom was that the model was conceived and designed by Airfix just before that company folded. I thought the tender drive came with an unrealistically high mound of coal, to hide the motor, and it could be noisy. It did have a good haulage capacity.

 

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Mainline Dean Goods from 1985

 

I thought the model well detailed for its age and I believe reasonably accurate. It was one of the earliest mass produced models to feature blackened coupling rods.

 

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Oxford Rail Dean Goods from 2017

 

Moving forward to 2017, Oxford Rail introduced an engine driven Dean Goods. This model has generated significant ‘froth’ from modellers, particularly those interested in pre-nationalisation engines who note numerous dimensional and detailed deviations from the prototype. The first release by Oxford Rail had a mechanism with twin flywheels. This was well received. Subsequent releases have a different motor with a single flywheel. These later models, particularly the sound fitted version, have attracted negative comments reporting jerky and erratic running.

 

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CLICK ON THE PICTURE TO WATCH A VIDEO OF THE Oxford Rail Dean Goods – straight out of the box

 

Out of the box my Oxford Rail Dean Goods ran smoothly and quietly – I was impressed. However when I took it up and down and round and about (with eight wagons), it couldn’t get up my 1 in 56 gradients. I was disappointed.

 

The prototype Dean Goods is a little engine and it is not surprising that Oxford Rail’s model weighs under the 200gm (including tender). I would see if the weight could be increased.

 

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Oxford Rail Dean Goods chassis – NB added lead beneath the flywheel

 

On inspection there is quite a lot of unused space within the model and I was easily able to add 3gm of lead to the chassis beneath the flywheel. There is further space beneath the motor but I left this empty as I did not want the motor overheating.

 

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Spot the lead

 

Turning my attention to the body shell I identified four locations to add some lead. I filled the dome and safety valve with lead shot, sealing the former with a plug of lead glued in place with super glue(6gm). I glued two circles of lead, cut from sheet, into the smoke box (8gm). Finally I fixed two slabs of lead, shaped to fit into the sides of the firebox (12gm). In total I increased the weight of the engine and tender from around 195 to 225gm.

 

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CLICK ON THE PICTURE TO WATCH A VIDEO OF THE Oxford Dean Goods – standing start on 1 in 56 gradient

 

I had also read somebody’s blog saying that they thought that the tender was propping up the rear of the locomotive. The tender to engine coupling was certainly very rigid and I slackened off the coupling screw beneath the tender to give more vertical movement. As the video shows the newly weighted model with extra flexibility between engine and tender could now easily start eight wagons on my 1 in 56 gradient.

 

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Oxford Rail Dean Goods – dummy vacuum pipe

 

To fit the lead into the body shell I had to ‘get inside’. At the front the coupling pocket has to be removed to gain access to the single front fixing screw. At the rear there are two screws beneath the cab. I had to carefully angle the screw driver to prevent damage to the brake rodding assembly. However there is another problem which I hadn’t noticed. There is a dummy vacuum pipe running across the front of the engine beneath the buffer beam. I am guessing that I snapped this when I lifted the body off the chassis because the dummy pipe was loose in two pieces with a 5mm gap.

 

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Oxford Rail Dean Goods – dummy vacuum pipe after repair

 

There is a dummy coupling in the vacuum pipe which I suspect is meant to separate and allow the body to be lifted clear. That is how I have reinstated the pipe - using a bit of circular section plastic cut from an old handrail, glued at one end and left as a push fit at the other. All good fun.

 

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Oxford Rail Dean Goods from 2017

 

I now have a much more useful model. However I still have two ‘niggles’ to sort. Firstly I need to fit a front number and secondly I would like to better disguise the horizontal join beneath the boiler between the upper plastic boiler and the lower metal motor support. It occurs to me that if the body and chassis could be pulled more tightly together the latter join would not be so visible. I will share two more pictures that I made whilst body and chassis were separated.

 

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Oxford Rail Dean Goods –chassis front end

 

At the front end it seems to me that the body and chassis cannot be pulled completely together because of the wire fitting for the brake rods.

 

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Oxford Rail Dean Goods – chassis rear end

 

At the rear end there is what I would call a ‘rats nest’ of wires that are supposed to tuck beneath the cab. Looking closely at the picture there are crease marks in these wires where the body shell has been cutting into the wires. To date I have not investigated further but for those modellers with locomotives that jerk and run erratically I would start investigating here for broken wires!

 

As a parting thought I am attaching an image that I came  across on the web, appologies if I am breaking someone's copyright.

 

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- a super image showing a Dean Goods working out its last few years.

 

For some thoughts on and actions regarding a pre-nationalisation model look no further than the Farthing Layouts:

 

http://farthinglayouts.blogspot.com/2017/11/backdating-oxford-rail-dean-goods-1.html

 

Yet more impressive work from Mikkel

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Hi Ray, very impressed at how you've managed to alter the performance of the loco. You are clearly the kind of man my wife wishes she had married - able to fix anything! :-)

 

Your fix suggests that maybe Oxford's removal of one flywheel isn't as disastrous as it seems. Having said that I'm interested to note that your model weighed in at under 200 grams when it arrived. I didn't weigh mine before I started the conversion, but I note that Hattons says 364 grams for the initial pre-grouping livery version: http://www.hattons.co.uk/173655/Oxford_Rail_OR76DG001_Class_2301_Dean_Goods_0_6_0_2309_in_Great_Western_green_with_garter_crest/StockDetail.aspx

 

The rat's nest is such a terrible design issue, bound to give trouble. Mine is the same and only with great care have I managed to screw the body reasonably tight to the chassis. It hasn't caused running issues in my case though.  

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Thanks Mikkel. 

 

My wife thinks that my skills could be applied to whole lot more useful things other than old cars and railways.  There is a list hidden somewhere beneath the railway boxes.

 

Do you think Hatton's 364gm includes the packaging?  I have just reweighed my model in its box (including my added lead) and the total on the kitchen scales comes to 379gm.  I suspect that your two flywheels and bigger motor may add more weight to your model.

 

Cheers Ray

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Another excellent piece of investigation and analysis.

 

Whilst your extra weight must help, I wouldn't underestimate the significance of the tender propping up the rear of the loco. I try as best I can to close all loco tender gaps to a realistic amount, around 2.5 - 3mm usually, and this can often give problems at first with interference between loco and tender, especially if there is a factory fitted fall plate. Performance on hills can fall off dramatically, and often the answer as here is slackening off of a screw, or a bit of careful bending.

 

John.

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Thanks John

 

I wouldn't underestimate the significance of the tender propping up the rear of the loco..

 

I think you are right, Bachmann A1s and A2s come to mind.  My addition of 30gm sounds pathetic - although it is in the order of 10% of the loco weight.

 

Ray

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Thanks Mikkel. 

 

My wife thinks that my skills could be applied to whole lot more useful things other than old cars and railways.  There is a list hidden somewhere beneath the railway boxes.

 

Do you think Hatton's 364gm includes the packaging?  I have just reweighed my model in its box (including my added lead) and the total on the kitchen scales comes to 379gm.  I suspect that your two flywheels and bigger motor may add more weight to your model.

 

Cheers Ray

 

Ah yes, that may be. I was a bit puzzled that the extra flywheel added that much weight.

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Hi Mike

 

Sorry - clueless.

 

Coreless motor?

There is a picture up above - looks like any other 'can' motor. There might be something in Mikkel's thread.

 

Happy New Year Ray

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I have a H0 tender locomotive that weighs about the same as the Oxford Dean goods, yet I am able to pull longer trains up a 1 in 40 grade on a 760mm radius curve.  I suspect the tender is like most UK 00 models, with inside bearings. My guess is the tender  probably rolls like a brick. Try removing weight from your tender. The tender  should be designed with pin point bearings, just like most 00 wagons. It sounds like the reported  rough running is probably a poorly set up factory DCC decoder. 

 

Terry Flynn.

 

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On 06/08/2020 at 13:03, nswgr1855 said:

 It sounds like the reported  rough running is probably a poorly set up factory DCC decoder.

 

 

Thanks Terry, rough running what's that?  I don't use digital - even for sound - just LokSound on analogue.

 

Here's the latest video

 

 

Sorry it is not ex GWR

 

Cheers Ray

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On 11/08/2020 at 04:54, Silver Sidelines said:

 

Thanks Terry, rough running what's that?  I don't use digital - even for sound - just LokSound on analogue.

 

Here's the latest video

 

 

Sorry it is not ex GWR

 

Cheers Ray

I'm not sure where I got the rough running from, may be another persons post. For a DC track powered model you are getting excellent running and I appreciate your videos. 

 

Cheers,

Terry Flynn.

 

 

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