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Kadee coupler installations

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When I began to model in H0 scale I had already converted many of my 4mm scale models to Kadee couplers, and it seemed natural to me to stay with the Kadee for British H0. These couplers are more discrete than the Continental D-loop design and the British tension lock type, and there are plenty of varieties available to help installation onto models from different sources. You can also lift a model off the track without having to fiddle with its couplers.

 

The downside for me is, the Kadee head will foul the buffers of British stock. This makes close coupling without cams impossible, because the buffers get in the way. The couplers have front/back slack too, so close-coupling cams do not operate. So a lot of my stock runs much further apart than I would really like, and I have resorted to Fleischmann 'profi' and Roco 'universal' NEM couplers within a couple of long rakes.

 

As far as I can make out, many other British H0 modellers also use Kadees, but maybe for different reasons. If you are thinking of trying Kadees for the first time, be aware that the magnetic uncoupling feature can cause problems with lightweight rolling stock, especially small open wagons - see Uncouplers for Kadee Couplers. You can, of course, use Kadees without remote uncoupling. This post is simply a record of some different installations.

 

I use three different basic designs:

  • The whisker coupler
  • The whisker coupler with the 'scale head'
  • The NEM coupler

 

You can get a narrower version of the draught gear box and this looks neater on some models, but I haven't yet found an application where I had to use the narrow box instead of the standard one.

 

The whisker coupler with the scale head is my favourite because it looks neatest, but it is only available with a centre-set shank. I end up using a standard head coupler when I need an over-set or under-set shank. The NEM version is a bit of an awkward marriage between a North American standard coupler (the Kadee) and a European standard coupler mount (NEM 362), and I often end up modifying the combination to make it work. Here are some of the coupler installations on my models, beginning with the easiest and working through to the more difficult ones ...

 

When the model has an NEM 362 socket on a well-engineered close-coupling mechanism, the NEM Kadee coupler plugs in and works well, although you don't get the close coupling feature. The success of this solution relies entirely on a cam mechanism with minimal vertical free play, a snug-fitting NEM socket, and of course having the socket at the proper height and distance from the buffer heads:

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When the original model has a tension lock coupler and this coupler is a flat one (not a cranked one) you can drill a small hole in the shank of a Kadee NEM coupler, cut off the two tails and attach the coupler to the model with the screw from the original coupler:DSCF9080.jpg.60090dd1607b97ee6b2b1daa79dc7a04.jpg

 

When you are making the model yourself or from a kit you can use some scraps of styrene to set the draught gear box for a whisker coupler at the necessary height:

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On a Lima British H0 wagon, you can cut off the moulded coupler mount and level off the surface of the floor. If you have changed the original Lima wheels to something more "scale" with a 10.5 mm diameter, a Kadee draught gear box glued straight onto the underframe comes out the right height for a centre-set coupler.

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For Lima Mk1 and Mk2 coaches, you can trim down the tails of an NEM coupler and fix the remains of the coupler into the bogie wit hot glue. The result is strong enough to hold a six-coach train together, but I don't like this method at all. Its only saving grace is you can swap the bogies to return the model to its original condition:

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If you lower a Lima Mk1 coach onto its bogies (this makes the models look so much better), you can cut a slot in the buffer beam and glue the draught gear box onto the floor, and a centre-set coupler will end up the correct height:

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When the original coupler uses a saggy NEM socket, some kind of rework is essential. For the Mehano class 66,  a styrene shim in the NEM socket and a strip of styrene along the valance keep the coupler at the right height:

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The NEM socket on the NMJ Di8 moves away from its proper height upwards as well as downwards and I put strips of styrene both above and below:

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For this Electrotren ferry van, I settled on a block of wood and a loop of piano wire to support the NEM socket. The floor of this model is made from a very hard steel sheet and defied all my attempts to drill it, so I used this block of wood to hold the wire, with the modification fixed together with Araldite:

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I hardly ever use an over-set coupler, but it works for the Fleischmann Warship:

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If you lower the chassis of the Warship onto its bogies, the model needs a centre-set coupler. Regardless of whether you lower the model, you have to grind some metal away from the motor bogie and shorten the draught gear box too:

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The under-set shank is useful from time to time, such as on this Liliput chassis:

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Some models come with a NEM 363 coupler mount. There is no Kadee coupler available to fit this mount, but AMF87 do a fret of adaptor pieces to build your own coupler. You take a Kadee NEM coupler, push out the pivot pin and then assemble the head onto the adaptor piece. I bought mine from A&H Models of Bracknell. This is all a bit of a fiddle, the adaptor pieces are smaller than you think they ought to be, but the NEM 363 mount makes for a neat installation and gives you an easy fine adjustment of the height of the coupler:

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Very occasionally, a RTR manufacturer will provide an NEM socket as a drop-in replacement for a factory-fitted coupler. Roco do such a device for the early version of their English Electric shunter:

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The most important things are these:

(1) make sure the rear face of the coupler knuckle is in front of the buffers

(2) make sure the sides of the knuckle don't foul the buffers on tight curves - you may need a coupler with a longer shank to prevent this

(3) set the coupler at exactly the proper height - if you need to adjust the trip pin from its factory position you have probably got the coupler at the wrong height.

 

I made my own height gauge, I find this much easier to use than the Kadee one:

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Above all: if you are intending to change the wheels of a model, do this before you set up the couplers :-)

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I'd be interested in how you deal with the Magnetic Creep should you use the large under board magnets with British outline wagons with magnetic metal wheel sets.

 

Fitting them is easy, the difficult thing is getting reliable operation that will allow a train to be pulled over without parting, but during the Kadee hesitation will get the couplers into the free shunt settings.

 

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I only have one of these super-strong magnets and I put it on a hinged mount so it drops out of the way. I did a write up of this a few years ago, but scanning through the post now I realise I never clearly mentioned why I did.

 

To be honest with you, I hardly run any small British wagons nowadays, and the larger bogie vehicles don't suffer the same problem. Hope this helps.

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1 hour ago, AndrewC said:

One thing to remember, Kadee couplers and actually any knuckle coupler are designed to work with rolling stock that conforms to the NMRA car weight recommended practices. The shortest American car would be 115g.  Most 4 wheel UK wagons are simply too light and free rolling. One simple solution is to increase the drag on each wagon with a tiny lump of sponge (painted black) glued to the bottom of the wagon that rubs gently against one axle. This has the effect of reducing the free wheeling of the wagon. The other solution is to bring the weight of each wagon up to 115g. Not always easy with open wagons. 

 

Andrew - these notes are important but I think they belong with details of uncouplers rather than the couplers themselves. So I've taken your words, worked them around a bit  and put the details in my post on uncouplers.

 

I last touched the post on uncouplers three years ago, and if our new RMWeb software encourages collaborative efforts this must surely be a good thing. 

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25 minutes ago, AndrewC said:

Good thinking. Although, you could argue that it belongs in both as increasing the drag and weight also lowers the instances of random uncoupling away from the uncouplers. 

I have used other types of couplers on my models including Roco and Fleischmann and indeed Kadees turned upside down there is probably a case to write up a third post "Couplers for British H0" as a sort of overview to describe the merits of each. The difficulties with Kadee uncoupling can go there. I don't like duplication between posts and if I need it, it usually means I've got the title of the post wrong.

 

I don't suffer from random uncoupling (but I'm happy to learn about it!), but certain combinations of a few long models do consistently uncouple themselves at the top of one of my gradients. One mitigation is to swap scale head Kadees for traditional head ones, but the only real solution would be to alter the track. I am really loath to do this because it will leave the main baseboard needing an external headshunt, and unable to function as a self-contained layout. Essentially, swapping 64 foot vehicles for 57 foot ones would remove the problem.

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