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Siphon C and GWR 64xx

JDaniels

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I've now been able to add the gas pipes to the roof to complete the model. Those who have read my blog will know that I'm quite obsessive about roof detail. It always surprises me that people spend so much time detailing the underframe which is hardly seen whilst ignoring the roof which is always visible. We don't look at models like you look at the prototype.

 

Having said that I'm not sure of the exact layout of the piping. I recollect a photo of what may be a Siphon C on the Highworth branch taken from above but can I find it? As the model represents the later 1920's period, I've added the thinner acetylene pipes. For bedtime reading I've been re-discovering my old BRJ magazines and an article in one of them about gas lighting showed that remarkably few Siphons actually had any form of lighting. The Siphon C certainly did though.

 

The plastic rod came from a model shop discovered whilst visiting my mother in a home in Axminster, Devon. Buffers is in the middle of fields but is an excellent shop with a far wider range of goods than I expected. I'm sure those in the area already know of it but if you are in the vicinity it's worth looking in.

 

Back to the Siphon. as so often with me, things go well until I pick up a paintbrush. I wanted to do some weathering using Humbrol washes but, stupidly, picked up the dark brown which for me dries to a high gloss finish. I consequently had to use "dust"wash to cover the gloss finish which means the model is rather dirtier than I wanted. Photographic evidence shows that like all wagons they were not cleaned and therefore the level of dirt is typical. I like the dust colour as I know when washing the car the "dirt" is light but whether that holds good for a steam railway is questionable. I do like the way that weathering picks out the fine detail. Incidentally, when it comes to weathering in the aforementioned BRJ there was an advert for a book by John Hayes, "The 4mm Coal Wagon." Look at the photos and weep.

 

 

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The Siphon C was one part completed project that I wanted to finish. Another was a kit for a GWR 64xx pannier tank. Those of you of a certain vintage may remember a range of kits by a manufacturer, Stephen Poole. The 64Xxx was one of those and had, as all kits did in those days, a crude brass chassis. I rebuilt this to EM gauge using Romford wheels but it still looked crude. I probably wouldn't have bothered with it but it had been painted by Larry Goddard (brass safety valve cover?) so I thought it deserved a little attention.

 

Below is a photo taken in 2015 before I tried improving it.

 

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I wanted a better chassis but the only one I could trace was the one from the Westward Models (I think) kit. This unfortunately was etched in one piece as an inverted "U" for OO gauge of course. In a fit of enthusiasm I split the chassis down the middle and using  brass spacers set the sides wider for EM gauge. There was no provision for compensation so it was fixed bearings aligned using lengths of 1/8th inch OD brass tube. I didn't want to spend much (any?) money on this so raided my spares drawers for a Mashima motor, Comet 38:1 gears and a motor mount of indeterminate origin. I had a number of Alan Gibson wheel sets and this was where the problem arose. The wheels I found were a tightish fit on the axles but not tight enough. Trying to quarter the wheels I found they slipped on the axles and even cyano would not cure the problem. If I wanted to make a proper job of this I would get a High Level gearbox and a new set of wheels. The moral of this story is if ever using wheels that are a push fit on the axle don't expect them to be a tight fit if taken on and off more than a couple of times. I had some old Romford wheels of the right size but the oversized flange and fixed balance weights were too much even for me. Incidentally these defects have been cured in the "Romford" wheels marketed by Markits.

 

As any layout I do is likely to be in the "uncoloured" category the 64xx won't find any use which is why I'm reluctant to spend too much cash on it. A Bachmann body too would would be better detailed. As ever though this is the modellers quandry, what to do with those efforts from earlier days when the products; look at those handrail knobs; and your personal skill level were of a lower standard than now. I think though it is worth updating, maybe a job for the next modelling season.

 

The other kit I mentioned in a previous blog was a GWR 2021 kit. This is being re-introduced by SE Finecast (the same range as the 517) so will wait for that to appear as it seems they are doing the chassis separately.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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You need to use Loctite anaerobic adhesives/sealants, such as 603, and not cyanoacrylate “super glue” for bonding an Alan Gibson wheel to a steel axle.

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20 hours ago, Regularity said:

You need to use Loctite anaerobic adhesives/sealants, such as 603, and not cyanoacrylate “super glue” for bonding an Alan Gibson wheel to a steel axle.

Thanks for that. I'll look out for Loctite 603 as wheels slipping on the axles is a problem I've encountered on other locos. Maybe I won't need new wheels after all.

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Be sparing when applying it: if it gets into the bearings, it will lock them to the axle!

When I last did this, I used a cocktail stick to put a small drop onto the outside of the hub/axle interface.

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23 hours ago, Regularity said:

Be sparing when applying it: if it gets into the bearings, it will lock them to the axle!

When I last did this, I used a cocktail stick to put a small drop onto the outside of the hub/axle interface.

Yes I could see that as being a problem. I've ordered a pack of 603 from Zoro.

 

I had thrown away the wheels in disgust so last night saw me wading through the bin to find them!

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11 hours ago, Siberian Snooper said:

The 2021 kit was available last year, I got a couple  from Dave at a show.

 

 

Thanks for that. It's odd that these kits don't appear on the SE Finecast website. I'll order a chassis from them and put it away for next year.

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a book by John Hayes, "The 4mm Coal Wagon." Look at the photos and weep

 

The best modelling book I have ever read by a country mile.

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Were you aware that Alan Gibson does milled frames for a 54XX/64XX/74XX?

 

You'd need to supply hornblocks and fixed bearings, as there are rectangular 'cut outs' for all axles, but it's still a lot better than the old Stephen Poole option.

 

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