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wenlock

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I was posting some pictures of Sherton Abbas on the "O gauge Guild" forum  https://www.gauge0guild.com/, where it was pointed out that my poor signalman had no means of communicating with the rest of the world.  This situation obviously had to be rectified by the addition of some telegraph paraphernalia!  I spent some time researching the subject, but as is so often the case in this hobby, the more I read the more questions I needed answering:-)  During my search I came across a number of interesting sites including this one http://www.telegraphpoleappreciationsociety.org/ 

For what its worth, I feel that any site with a "Pole of the Month" has to be worth a read!

 

One of the O gauge guild members "Jim Snowdon" is a font of information about the subject and has given permission for an article he wrote to be posted on the forum. Railways and Overhead Pole Routes - with pictures.pdf

 

The article goes a long way in helping to demystify the world of Telegraph poles, with an emphasis from a modelling point of view and I thoroughly recommend anyone interested in the subject giving it a read!

 

I decided to use the Peco poles https://peco-uk.com/products/telegraph-poles-pack-of-4 as a starting point, hoping to customise them into something more appropriate for an early 20th century Great Western branch line:-)

 

Photographs of prototype poles around the turn of the last Century appear to only have had two insulators per arm and the arms are also of two different lengths and staggered.  This was something I was keen to represent on my layout,  so some surgery of the Peco arms was required!

 

Peco Arms  as supplied in the kit

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The arms were cut to the appropriate length and then drilled with 0.5mm holes before insulator supports at he correct spacing could be fitted using Slater's Plastikard micro rod.

 

Arms after modification on right side of image

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The Peco poles have provision for fitting 3 arms into rebates cut into the poles, so depending on the number of arms that need fitting to the modelled poles, either some filler or additional rebates will be needed.

 

Example of modified pole

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The next thing to be considered were the insulators, which appear to come in two main types.  The majority of insulators enable the supported wire to pass through it and then run on to the next post down the line, however where wires are terminating at a post, or building a different type of insulator was used.  These are known as Pothead insulators and have a distinctive flat top rather than the conical shape of conventional insulators.  Pot head insulators are also mounted on "J hangers" below the post arm which help to minimise any twisting of the arms.  I was keen to model these features, on my model poles.

 

The Peco kit contains quite nice representations of conventional conical topped insulators, so these were fitted onto poles where the wires were not terminating.

 

Poles with conventional insulators.

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The pole adjacent to the signal box would have been fitted Pothead insulators mounted on "J hangers" for any wires that would terminate at the signal box, insulated cables would then have been used to carry current from these insulators, down the pole and into the signal box.  Telephone wires would have continued from this pole to the Goods Shed and Station building, so on these arms conventional insulators would have been employed.

 

To represent the "J hangers" I used some 0.5mm brass wire, bent into shape using some round nosed pliers and fitted into pre-drilled holes of the correct spacing into the arms.

 

J hangers mounted into arms

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I simulated the flat top appearance of the pothead insulators by heating a screw driver blade in a flame and then pressing onto the top of a standard Peco insulator.  The thermoplastic distorts quite easily and can be pressed into a more convincing shape, most of the time :-)

 

Signal box pole fitted with pothead insulators on three of the arms and conventional insulators on one arm.

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The poles were painted with enamel paint, first with a dark brown and then dry brushed with gun metal to simulate weathered wood.  Once the poles had dried they were fitted onto the layout by drilling holes and then held in position using 5 minute epoxy resin.

 

Example pole 

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Once all the poles had been installed in their positions on the layout, the "fun" could begin adding the telegraph wires.  I used E Z elastic thread https://www.modelscenerysupplies.co.uk/brands/EZ-Line/EZ-Line-Rope  to simulate the wires, attached to the insulators with a drop of cyanoacrylate glue applied with a cock tail stick.

 

Fortunately I only need 3 poles on Sherton Abbas and with the addition of some insulators mounted on J hanger brackets where the wires terminate on buildings, the telegraph/telephone system is now complete.

 

Images of the completed poles on the layout

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The signalman at Sherton Abbas is delighted with this new addition,  he's no longer startled by the arrival of the 8.17 am and spilling his tea is a thing of the past!:-)

 

 

The 8.17 am train arriving at Sherton Abbas

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Thanks again to Jim Snowdon for his excellent article and for allowing me to publish it on the forum.  Its a subject that I knew very little about before starting this project, but I've enjoyed finding out what was used and why so much that I might even join the Telegraph Pole Appreciation Society:-)

 

Sherton Abbas will be appearing at Railex later this month http://www.railex.org.uk/ hopefully I'll see some of you there.

 

Best wishes

 

Dave

 

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17 hours ago, Donw said:

Great work as usual Dave. When it comes to poles I do have a fair bit of experience I am old enough to have run open wires which is what would be done in the old days. 

 

Don

Thanks Don:-)

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I agree with regard to the Telegraph Pole Appreciation Society, Dave. 

 

The Memsahib thought I had gone mad when she looked over my shoulder to see what I was looking at. 

 

A very good site. 

 

 

Rob. 

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I am in awe!

 

Not only is there some superb work on display here, as one would expect, but I've also found out that there's a Telegraph Pole Appreciation Society and not only that, that our very own Andy York has material posted on it!

 

What's not to like?

 

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Dave,

I've found the one ( just one so far ! ) that I made about 6 months ago after looking at the Appreciation website and came up with this....

 

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I just need to build the layout to plonk it on now ! 

 

G

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17 hours ago, NHY 581 said:

I agree with regard to the Telegraph Pole Appreciation Society, Dave. 

 

The Memsahib thought I had gone mad when she looked over my shoulder to see what I was looking at. 

 

A very good site. 

 

 

Rob. 

It’s the kind of site that restores my faith in human nature:-) 

 

14 hours ago, Brinkly said:

Great work Dave.

 

Regards,

 

Nick

Thanks Nick:-)

 

13 hours ago, Captain Kernow said:

I am in awe!

 

Not only is there some superb work on display here, as one would expect, but I've also found out that there's a Telegraph Pole Appreciation Society and not only that, that our very own Andy York has material posted on it!

 

What's not to like?

 

Thanks Captain:-) Glad you appreciate the great work done by “the TPA society” along with the sterling contribution by Andy!:-)

 

4 hours ago, bgman said:

Dave,

I've found the one ( just one so far ! ) that I made about 6 months ago after looking at the Appreciation website and came up with this....

 

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I just need to build the layout to plonk it on now ! 

 

G

Now that is a quite splendid example of a pole! The wood grain looks excellent and I’m particularly taken by the little metal cap on top of the pole to stop it rotting:-) 

 

 Looking forward to seeing the layout progress once you are installed in the new gaff!:-)

 

Best wishes to all

 

Dave

 

 

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Luke Towans latest video was on telegraph poles. They are Australian prototypes (if there are national differences) but the overall technique might be helpful, though some parts are 3D printed..

 

 

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Here's the example on Mutton. More 'look and feel' as opposed to prototypical. 

 

They do add to the overall scene. Now, loading gauges..........

 

Rob. 

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13 hours ago, bgman said:

Dave,

I've found the one ( just one so far ! ) that I made about 6 months ago after looking at the Appreciation website and came up with this....

 

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I just need to build the layout to plonk it on now ! 

 

G

I have to say that that is one of the most realistic wood grain effects in model form that I have ever seen, Grahame.

 

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2 hours ago, NHY 581 said:

Here's the example on Mutton. More 'look and feel' as opposed to prototypical. 

 

They do add to the overall scene. Now, loading gauges..........

 

Rob. 

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Look pretty prototypical to me Rob!:-)

 

Hmmm, loading gauge, need one of those for Sherton Abbas .........

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18 hours ago, bgman said:

Dave,

I've found the one ( just one so far ! ) that I made about 6 months ago after looking at the Appreciation website and came up with this....

 

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I just need to build the layout to plonk it on now ! 

 

G

It's good, but some observations for next time - the cross arm should really be on the opposite side of the pole to the incoming wires so that it is pulled on to the pole instead of all the tension being taken on the bolt holding the arm to the pole, and the top two step irons (where fitted*) should be at the same level, giving the lineman a rather better footing.

 

*On railway pole routes, step irons were frequently not provided, the linemen using climbing irons strapped to their legs instead. The pre-grouping companies had different habits.

 

Jim

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4 hours ago, jim.snowdon said:

It's good, but some observations for next time - the cross arm should really be on the opposite side of the pole to the incoming wires so that it is pulled on to the pole instead of all the tension being taken on the bolt holding the arm to the pole

 

Jim

Just rechecked mine and pleased to report they’re the right way round. Phew :-)

 

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*On railway pole routes, step irons were frequently not provided, the linemen using climbing irons strapped to their legs instead. The pre-grouping companies had different habits.

 

Jim

They were a tough bunch these railway pole men, I’m not sure I’d want to be 30 foot up a pole relying on some metal spikes strapped to my legs to stop gravity doing its thing!

 

Dave

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6 hours ago, jim.snowdon said:

the cross arm should really be on the opposite side of the pole to the incoming wires so that it is pulled on to the pole instead

 

Thank you for your observations, its an easy fix and will be sorted out once I've finished other items.

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The Electric supply chaps are still using the spikes. They recently replaced the overhead power lines in our area. Mostly they were using elevating platforms but alongside our land there is a footpath with  the HV lines and a transformer at the top end  with no access for  vehicle,  So they used the climbing spikes rather than drag a ladder up a narrow footpath.

The thing with climbing spikes is you need to keep your body away from the pole to get your feet at the right angle for the spike to grip. At 16 I was sent up a pole with one of those old leather belts with a hammer and chisel told to remove some cleats. You csnnot use a chisel and hammer unless you have both hands free so I leant back on the belt and nevr had any trouble with poles from then on. The Belts became Nylon ones lighter and easier.  As a cable jointer  I could spend quite a while up a pole. On a nice sunny day lovely less so in a blizzard.  As  young apprentice I was left to run heavy blue insulated wires across several EL poles  during a blizzard  while the two gang members fitted the phone indoors. H&S would have had a fit but I was wearing Motorcycle boots, Barber Jacet and trousers so was able to keep dry.

 

Don

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1 hour ago, Donw said:

As  young apprentice I was left to run heavy blue insulated wires across several EL poles  during a blizzard  while the two gang members fitted the phone indoors. H&S would have had a fit but I was wearing Motorcycle boots, Barber Jacet and trousers so was able to keep dry.

 

Don

How things have changed Don!  One of my students was reluctant to mix Plaster of Paris in case it got on her hands and damaged her newly painted nails!:rolleyes:

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Hello Dave

Very good to meet you today, I enjoyed our chat and was very impressed by the look of the the layout, the detail, very convincing colours and it’s smooth operation all of which was a real joy to see. Even the runaway wagons which I thought was deliberate, until you “ spoiled it “. 

 

I’ll look forward to “the other side” of the bridge coming into being shortly!

 

Railway modelling at its best and I think the most convincing layout at the show. 

 

Kind regards

Andrew

 

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On 25/05/2019 at 20:51, Andrew Duncan said:

Hello Dave

Very good to meet you today, I enjoyed our chat and was very impressed by the look of the the layout, the detail, very convincing colours and it’s smooth operation all of which was a real joy to see. 

 

Thanks Andrew, good to meet you too!

 

On 25/05/2019 at 20:51, Andrew Duncan said:

Hello Dave

 Even the runaway wagons which I thought was deliberate, until you “ spoiled it “. 

Lol, I should have kept quiet!  On Sunday we did a little judicious packing under the layout’s legs, which resolved the “problem” :)

 

On 25/05/2019 at 20:51, Andrew Duncan said:

I’ll look forward to “the other side” of the bridge coming into being shortly!

I’ve been doodling plans, but I don’t think it will be “shortly”:D

 

Best wishes

 

Dave

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13 hours ago, wenlock said:

 

 

I’ve been doodling plans, but I don’t think it will be “shortly”:D

 

Best wishes

 

Dave

 

Ok I won’t hold you to it ! Well done on getting the best layout at the show by the way.  Well deserved !

Kind regards

Andrew

 

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This might be of interest....

 

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Published yesterday by GWSG.  Several pages on design and installation of telegraph poles.

DrDuncan

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