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Hi Dave,

 

I have just stumbled on this thread and I will look forward to the progress, which, if any of the previous ones are to be admired, then I am certain this will provide us all with more inspiration.

 

After my move some of the boxes are steadily making it from the garage to my modelling room one of which just happens to contain these...

 

 

 

 

The Scorpio kit certainly looks do-able and even has a pre-rolled boiler ... YAY !

 

Cheers for now,

 

G 

8 hours ago, Mikkel said:

 

Always trust your single malt. Mine was from the Nu-Cast range, 

Nu-Cast produce a single malt?

And I thought I had drunk too much...

Dave ,

Following on from your initial description and your last sentence,  "Painting complex liveries is so much easier if the sides can lay flat on the work bench! " , I am curious as to your method for glueing the sides and ends together.

 

My reason for asking is a concern that once you've taken time and patience over the paintwork and lining how do you prevent any glue from " bleeding " onto the final finish ?.

 

It would be useful to get your thoughts/ method please as it something I have considered prior to making up my kits.

 

Cheers

 

G

On 18/06/2019 at 12:35, Barry Ten said:

Look what I've got to build, Dave:

 

You saw the 2-4-0 at RailEx but I've just acquired the Armstrong Goods from Martin Willoughby. It looks to be a lovely kit - has wheels and Portescap included, too.

 

I’m very jealous. I’m after a couple of Armstrong goods - one to bash into the BG convertible version!

Duncan

9 hours ago, bgman said:

Hi Dave,

 

I have just stumbled on this thread and I will look forward to the progress, which, if any of the previous ones are to be admired, then I am certain this will provide us all with more inspiration.

 

After my move some of the boxes are steadily making it from the garage to my modelling room one of which just happens to contain these...

 

 

 

 

The Scorpio kit certainly looks do-able and even has a pre-rolled boiler ... YAY !

 

Cheers for now,

 

G 

Hi Grahame, I’ll be very interested in seeing how you get on with the Scorpio Armstrong Goods.  I’ve heard mixed reports about their kits, but their range contains contains lots of locos that I’d like to build! Every time I pass their stand I ponder over their Buffalo, Queen class, Armstrong Goods and Railmotor

 

Here’s hoping it’s an easy, accurate build!

7 hours ago, bgman said:

Dave ,

Following on from your initial description and your last sentence,  "Painting complex liveries is so much easier if the sides can lay flat on the work bench! " , I am curious as to your method for glueing the sides and ends together.

 

My reason for asking is a concern that once you've taken time and patience over the paintwork and lining how do you prevent any glue from " bleeding " onto the final finish ?.

 

It would be useful to get your thoughts/ method please as it something I have considered prior to making up my kits.

 

Cheers

 

G

Hi again Grahame, I built all my previous coaches in the same way.  Once the sides are painted, I just scraped away some of the paint where the sides abut the ends and flowed som liquid poly along the joints.  Very minimal touch up was needed on the beading at the corners, but that apart it needed no adjustment 

 

Ill document everything in the next few blog posts.

 

10 hours ago, drduncan said:

I’m very jealous. I’m after a couple of Armstrong goods - one to bash into the BG convertible version!

Duncan

 

CSP had an Armstrong, a Beyer and on more outside frame 0-6-0  in progress prior to the passing of the owner and sale of the range. The new owners have done a great job but these 3 locos seem to have been lost in the process sadly.

 

Regards,

 

Craig W

7 hours ago, wenlock said:

Every time I pass their stand I ponder over their Buffalo, Queen class, Armstrong Goods and Railmotor

Oh a Buffalo for Sherton please!!!

D

Very timely as I have three of these kits to build, representing my first foray into brass construction and more significantly into coach painting and lining out. I hope you'll cover the latter in detail. 

Dave, don't you have an  0-6-0 saddle tank just waiting for a decoder?  Can''t remember the loco class - not a Buffalo, presumably?

10 minutes ago, Barry Ten said:

Dave, don't you have an  0-6-0 saddle tank just waiting for a decoder?  Can''t remember the loco class - not a Buffalo, presumably?

 

Hi Al, I do indeed  Not a Buffalo, but a 2021 class saddle tank.  I built it with a rigid chassis, which in retrospect was a mistake. All my other locos have sprung compensation and run much more smoothly because of it.  The plan is to fit some Slater's sprung hornblocks, but I need to source some split coupling rods from somewhere.   Hopefully it'll be ready for Telford!

One day I'll also paint those lamps the right colour!

3 hours ago, dpgibbons said:

Very timely as I have three of these kits to build, representing my first foray into brass construction and more significantly into coach painting and lining out. I hope you'll cover the latter in detail. 

Will do!

Come March 2020 you might wish to beware of a Red-Hat trying to borrow a 2021 class for a mineral working on an Edwardian version of the S&W between Lower Forge and Upper Forge.  Or Mr Lightmoor looking for some appropriate motive power for his forthcoming Knockley Gate version 4.

 

Given the number of your engine, where did you get a backhead for an engine with a Belpaire boiler?

 

regards, Graham

Edited June 20, 2019 by Western Star

4 hours ago, Western Star said:

Come March 2020 you might wish to beware of a Red-Hat trying to borrow a 2021 class for a mineral working on an Edwardian version of the S&W between Lower Forge and Upper Forge.  Or Mr Lightmoor looking for some appropriate moptive power for his forthcoming Knockley Gate version 4.

 

Im sure number 2112 would be delighted to chuff up and down either!

 

4 hours ago, Western Star said:

 

4 hours ago, Western Star said:

Given the number of your engine, where did you get a backhead for an engine with a Belpaire boiler?

 

Unfortunately when I built number 2112 I had no idea that it had a Belpaire boiler!  However I have a cunning plan! 

 

As part of the planned reworking of the loco, (sound chip, decoder, sprung hornblocks etc) I’m going to tackle the issue of the backhead.  My Dean Goods was built from a Martin Finney kit that contained parts to allow both round top and Belpaire types to be built.  There’s a rather nice unused Belpaire backhead in the spares box that should prove useful!

 

Hopefully all sorted well before a March next year!

 

Dave

21 minutes ago, wenlock said:

 

Im sure number 2112 would be delighted to chuff up and down either!

Bit of a quandary here, our version of S&W history uses a track gauge of 33mm whilst Ian's fourth version of Knockley Gate continues in the tradition of 32mm gauge - now is that standard gauge and "broad gauge" or standard gauge and "narrow gauge"?

1 hour ago, Western Star said:

Bit of a quandary here, our version of S&W history uses a track gauge of 33mm whilst Ian's fourth version of Knockley Gate continues in the tradition of 32mm gauge - now is that standard gauge and "broad gauge" or standard gauge and "narrow gauge"?

Either way I’m afraid number 2112 would only be happy on Knockley Gate Sherton Abbas could be described as “extra narrow gauge” at 31.5mm

I'm not aware of any easy way of identifying which saddle tanks were fitted with belpaire fireboxes (or indeed, which engines with pannier tanks still had roundtop fireboxes).

 

 

1 hour ago, Miss Prism said:

I'm not aware of any easy way of identifying which saddle tanks were fitted with belpaire fireboxes (or indeed, which engines with pannier tanks still had roundtop fireboxes).

 

 

You're not alone!  It is a complete minefield,  perhaps Graham could expand on his source of information

I think that RCTS "Locos of the GWR, Part 5" gives the date of initial conversion from saddle to pannier tank and the date that an engine received a change of boiler class.  The boilers are described in the appendix to the part and I recollect that one can determine round top or belpaire boiler from the data.

 

Although more than 30 years ago I did go through the boiler records, at Kew, to see which boilers were used on the 2021s and I think that I got firebox details from the records.

Given Dave's era, why is 2112 wrong? Or am I missing something obvious?

 

 

 

Edited June 21, 2019 by Miss Prism

5 minutes ago, Miss Prism said:

Given the frequency of boiler swapping, I doubt anyone could say that Dave's 2112 is wrong.

 

I think you may well be right Russ!  I guess it’s one less job to do and I do wonder just how many people in the world would know either way  Isn't railway modelling entertaining, there can’t be many people discussing 120 year boiler design today!

Dave

 

Slaters are now offering a coach printing service, I've just received the sides and ends of my all third S9 in the pre 1906 livery and it's fantastic it includes all the necessary transfers and coach number all for £60 and is worth every penny. All you'd need to do is join the 2 sides together and send them off.

Laurie Griffin does a set of cast nickel silver jointed rods for your 2021 that you may want to check out. Looking forward to seeing Sherton Abbas at Telford. 

 

HTH

Malcolm

1 hour ago, Malcolm Trevena said:

Slaters are now offering a coach printing service

 

I can't find any reference to that on their website - can you post a link please

I think they had some samples pieces of the printed sides at the Bristol O Gauge show.