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14 hours ago, Malcolm Trevena said:

Dave

 

Slaters are now offering a coach printing service, I've just received the sides and ends of my all third S9 in the pre 1906 livery and it's fantastic it includes all the necessary transfers and coach number all for £60 and is worth every penny. All you'd need to do is join the 2 sides together and send them off.

Laurie Griffin does a set of cast nickel silver jointed rods for your 2021 that you may want to check out. Looking forward to seeing Sherton Abbas at Telford. 

 

HTH

Malcolm

 

Is it possible to see some photographs of these please ?

 

G

17 hours ago, Malcolm Trevena said:

Dave

 

Slaters are now offering a coach printing service, I've just received the sides and ends of my all third S9 in the pre 1906 livery and it's fantastic it includes all the necessary transfers and coach number all for £60 and is worth every penny. All you'd need to do is join the 2 sides together and send them off.

Hi Malcolm, that’s very interesting news!  £60.00 sounds pretty reasonable when you take into account how long it takes to paint a coach!  I’d love to see some pictures of your All Third, how they get the printing to register perfectly with the coach mouldings is beyond me!

 

17 hours ago, Malcolm Trevena said:

 

Laurie Griffin does a set of cast nickel silver jointed rods for your 2021 that you may want to check out. Looking forward to seeing Sherton Abbas at Telford. 

 

HTH

Malcolm

Hmmm that’s annoying, I didn’t know Laurie did some!  I ordered a set of milled ones from Premier Components last Friday, but I’ve subsequently heard that they may take ages to come

 

BW

 

Dave

Dave

hopefully I've uploaded the photo correctly. Here are the sides exactly as returned from Slaters, what do you think?

Malcolm

13 minutes ago, Malcolm Trevena said:

Dave

hopefully I've uploaded the photo correctly. Here are the sides exactly as returned from Slaters, what do you think?

Malcolm

Hi Malcolm, they look fabulous!  I’m really impressed that they’ve got the brown line in the cream panels perfectly positioned

 

I went on the Slaters website to have a look, but couldn’t find any mention of this development.  You would think they would be shouting it from the roof tops!

 

Very impressed!

 

BW 

 

Dave

3 hours ago, Malcolm Trevena said:

Dave

hopefully I've uploaded the photo correctly. Here are the sides exactly as returned from Slaters, what do you think?

Malcolm

 

So these are colour 3d printed (or similar) sides? Mind blowing if so - the colouring in particular. My own 3d printed efforts fall down with my painting and lining:(

The sides are not 3d printed but the plastic moulded sides that Slaters produce. They are then 'printed' with the livery of your choice. I don't know the technology or machine that is used but I'm delighted it's been developed. Wagon sides can also be printed.

Malcolm

 

On 23/06/2019 at 14:25, wenlock said:

 

 

On 23/06/2019 at 14:25, wenlock said:

I ordered a set of milled ones from Premier Components last Friday, but I’ve subsequently heard that they may take ages to come

 

BW

 

Dave

Update!

 

The Premier Components milled rods arrived today  Just what I’d ordered, posted in a sturdy box and arrived within 4 days, two of which were the weekend!

 

Excellent service as far as I’m concerned 

 

Just hope this information offsets some of the negative posts lurking on the forum about speed of service!

Premier Components have a good service from my dealings with them and I am sure you won't be disappointed with the rods.

 

They have been used on my Dean goods build and needed no fettling whatsoever Dave.

 

G 

1 hour ago, bgman said:

Premier Components have a good service from my dealings with them and I am sure you won't be disappointed with the rods.

 

They have been used on my Dean goods build and needed no fettling whatsoever Dave.

 

G 

Thanks Grahame, glad you thought the rods were good  How did you get on with joining the two rods together?  They’ve come with a little packet that contains a couple of little rivets, did you just place them through the rods and crush them with some pliers, or am I missing something clever?

Those Slaters printed coach sides are superb. If anybody picks up more official news about this service, please pass it on. Are these 7mm sides? I wonder if they do similar work in 4mm?

2 hours ago, Martin S-C said:

Those Slaters printed coach sides are superb. If anybody picks up more official news about this service, please pass it on. Are these 7mm sides? I wonder if they do similar work in 4mm?

They are great aren’t they!  I’ve just been faffing about in the workshop masking out and spraying my coach sides. While I was cleaning out the airbrush and getting covered in paint I kept thinking that £60.00 for perfectly painted and lined sides looked more and more attractive!

 

I think Slaters sold all their 4mm coaches to Coopercraft, so they probably don’t do a similar service for 4mm scale modellers.

I've heard some rumours that the 4mm stuff might be extricated from the mess that is Coopercraft, which would be nice - and especially so if the printing service is available, as well. I notice that the 4mm Slaters wagons are now back on the market, or some of them.

On the basis of what has been written here I have approached David White for a description of the service to include in the S7 Group Newsletter (in my capacity as Trade Liaison Officer for the S7 Group).  David's initial response is along the lines of "Hold your horses...  work in progress...  GWR four wheel coaches are initial subjects...".  My take on David's reply is that, collectively, we may have jumped the gun.

 

regards, Graham

15 hours ago, wenlock said:

Thanks Grahame, glad you thought the rods were good  How did you get on with joining the two rods together?  They’ve come with a little packet that contains a couple of little rivets, did you just place them through the rods and crush them with some pliers, or am I missing something clever?

 

Hi Dave,

 

The jointing of the rods was done by placing a piece of paper between the rivet and the rod before carefully peining the plain end very carefully with a small hammer which creates a very small dome to ensure a loose-ish fit using very light taps until it felt right. The paper was then removed which gave it some movement without binding ( I used a lighter to burn it away ) and then cleaned up the joints.

Hope this helps. I wouldn't use a pair of pliers to be honest.

 

G

Edited June 26, 2019 by bgman

5 hours ago, Western Star said:

On the basis of what has been written here I have approached David White for a description of the service to include in the S7 Group Newsletter (in my capacity as Trade Liaison Officer for the S7 Group).  David's initial response is along the lines of "Hold your horses...  work in progress...  GWR four wheel coaches are initial subjects...".  My take on David's reply is that, collectively, we may have jumped the gun.

 

regards, Graham

I guess that explains why they aren't "Shouting about it from the roof tops!"  Really hope they can extend this facility to the rest of their range of kits.

43 minutes ago, bgman said:

 

Hi Dave,

 

The jointing of the rods was done by placing a piece of paper between the rivet and the rod before carefully peining the plain end very carefully with a small hammer which creates a very small dome to ensure a loose-ish fit using very light taps until it felt right. The paper was then removed which gave it some movement without binding ( I used a lighter to burn it away ) and then cleaned up the joints.

Hope this helps. I wouldn't use a pair of pliers to be honest.

 

G

Thanks Graham, the idea of a paper spacer is a very useful tip!

4 hours ago, wenlock said:

Thanks Graham, the idea of a paper spacer is a very useful tip!

 

Probably one of the most boring photographs ever showing the rivet on the joint of the Dean Goods rods....

 

 

Just to also say that I used a very small pein hammer with a wooden shaft, my preference as I can get a better feel than a metal shaft when I hit the metal.

 

G

4 hours ago, bgman said:

 

Probably one of the most boring photographs ever showing the rivet on the joint of the Dean Goods rods....

 

 

Just to also say that I used a very small pein hammer with a wooden shaft, my preference as I can get a better feel than a metal shaft when I hit the metal.

 

G

 Not boring to me Grahame! Just plucking up courage to fetch the hammer!

At least in 4mm valve gear and such, I've given up with rivets - I just can't get the consistency and tightness  (neither too tight nor too slack) of joint. I now use brass dressmaker's pins to form a soldered joint.

 

I'm sure there's a knack to rivets, I just couldn't achieve it!

 

Flashing back to the exciting world of Slaters printed sides, I might be going mad but I think the sample they had at Bristol was lined crimson lake - probably Midland rather than GWR, mind.

 

On 26/06/2019 at 07:11, Western Star said:

On the basis of what has been written here I have approached David White for a description of the service to include in the S7 Group Newsletter (in my capacity as Trade Liaison Officer for the S7 Group).  David's initial response is along the lines of "Hold your horses...  work in progress...  GWR four wheel coaches are initial subjects...". 

On 26/06/2019 at 22:03, Barry Ten said:

Flashing back to the exciting world of Slaters printed sides, I might be going mad but I think the sample they had at Bristol was lined crimson lake - probably Midland rather than GWR, mind.

 

Great Western lake, then.