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Backdating the Oxford Rail Dean Goods (2)


Mikkel

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I thought it was about time that I finished my Dean Goods, so here it is virtually done.

 

 

 

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It has taken an awfully long time to do, although in fairness it has been resting untouched for long periods while I worked on other projects.

 

 

 

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The loco has the original twin flywheel Oxford mechanism that came with the lined pre-grouping version. Mine is a very smooth runner, which is why I found the project worthwhile in the first place. Indeed I've bought another one at a sale, which also runs very well.

 

Below is a summary of the main steps since the first post on the project, with some further photos of the completed item towards the end.

 

Cab

 

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The cab floor and interior splashers were built up from styrene.

 

 

 

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A cut-out was required in order to clear the motor when fitting the body.

 

 

 

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The cab detail is a bit quick and dirty. I found a backhead in the spares box, spruced it up a bit and moved it 0.5 mms into the cab to clear the motor. It’s too low, but don’t tell anyone. The raised floor section in the right hand side of the cab can be seen on No. 2516 at Steam, but I’m not sure if it was there in the 1900s? According to Martin Finney, cab seats were a later feature so I didn’t fit any.

 

 

 

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Brassmasters have some lovely Finney fittings for the cab, but I wanted to save my pennies, so modified the Oxford lever and springs to look a bit more accurate.

 

 

 

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The cab side beading was made from 5 thou strips, cut on my Portrait and curved gently with my warm and healing fingers. Stuck down with Limonene and secured by rolling a brush handle against it.

 

 

 

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Further beading and handrails were made from wire. 

 

 

 

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The cab roof was built up with four laminated layers, here are the first two (10 + 5 thou).

 

 

 

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And the uppermost two (2 x 5 thou). 

 

 

 

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The join between cab and boiler was also built up piecemeal, very close to the spectacles as per my prototype. 

 

 

Fittings

 

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 Handrails were fitted using my well established formula: "Measure once, drill thrice !".
 
 
 

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Boiler washout plugs from Coast Line Models. Alan appears to have temporarily withdrawn these, I hope they’ll return. 
 

 

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I fashioned a new reversing lever, and fitted a loco jack from the Broad Gauge Society.
 
 
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Photos of the uprights on which loco jacks were mounted during this period are rare, here's a crop from an image I found (left). Also a standing version, which I suspect was an earlier arrangement.
 

 
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 The curvy “piano lid” cylinder cover was a feature of some locos during the short smokebox period. They were sometimes left in open position while running! Fittings on the smokebox side were cobbled up from bits of brass. 
 
 
Chassis

 

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The loco chassis required very little modification, which means it can be easily replaced in case of a major failure. However, an indication of the ash pan and nearby components was needed. So I nicked Coachmann’s idea and made a simple screw-on unit.
 

 

 

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Later the ashpan was painted and Archer's rivets applied.

 

 

Tender

 

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The Oxford tender is generally a good representation of the 2500 gallon variant, but various mods were needed to backdate it to 1900s condition. First, the fenders were cut off using a scalpel, and the area was filed clean.
 
 

 

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The protecting plates at the rear and front were too high for my 1900s prototype, and were therefore filed down to appropriate height and shape.

 

 

 

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I left the casing for the water filler untouched. Subsequent discussions suggest that the shape may have been different during this period - but I will leave it for now.

 

 

 

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Next up were the coal rails. I first tried cutting some 10 thou Evergreen on my  Silhouette cutter. It looks OK here, but as might be expected it was just too flimsy.
 

 


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Instead I used wire from Eileen’s Emporium, halfround as per the prototype. I considered soldering but thought the joints might come undone every time I applied heat, so used epoxy. The result is quite solid. 

 

 


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 The uprights were fitted into holes just inside the flare of the tender sides, taking care not to break through the sides. I think the top rail sits a trifle high. Ah well.

 

 

 

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Photos suggest that most of the fittings at the front of the Oxford tender are not appropriate for my period.

 


 
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Replacement toolboxes and air vents from Brassmasters (ex-Finney) were fitted. Maybe the latter should be smaller on a 2500G tender, not sure. Sandboxes were cobbled together from bits of styrene.
 

 

 
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The front steps of the early 2500g tenders had an inward curve. A couple of round files solved this. The plastic protects the chassis from metal dust.
 

 

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Here is the result. 

 

 

 

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The finished tender (less brake gear).
 

 

 

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Loco and modified tender.

 

 

Painting and lining

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The loco in primer. 

 

 

 

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After recovering from an "orange peel" disaster I got the paint job done. The green is Vallejo 70.850 with a touch of black (5:1), the red is 70.814. 

 


 

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Lining was done with HMRS Pressfix transfers.

 

 

 

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One side done. The triple panels on the tender were tricky.


 

 

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Halfway through I ran out of lining, and discovered that new HMRS lining sheets are a different colour from the older ones.  The samples above show the old sheet, and three new sheets. The latter came directly from the HMRS, whose own illustration still shows the older shade. A Fox sheet is also featured. In the end I cobbled together the remaining lining from an old sheet, using 26 pieces for one cabside :rolleyes:. It does show in places.

 

 

Final details

 

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Cab windows were made by filing and sanding the teeth off watchmaker's cogs.

 

 

 

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The glazing was cut on my Silhouette cutter.

 

 

 

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Not perfect, but I can live with it.

 

 

 

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Bit of fun: The Oxford model comes with a choice of coarse or fine screw link couplings (bottom two).  I modified mine by adding a “Tommy bar” (top), fashioned from a part that I found in my box of watchmaker’s spares.

 

 

 

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A last few shots of the loco. Photos of 2487 and some other Dean Goods shows the safety valve slightly off-set from the center of the boiler band, so I copied that. Annoyingly I forgot to add the safety valve lever. Too late now, I can't get in there to fit it properly.

 

 

 

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The big compromise is the seam line in the boiler, although I only notice it from certain angles. I  had planned to distract from the join by carrying the lining all round, but experiments showed that it had the opposite effect, so I left it off.  Were I to do it again I would give more attention to matching the angles of the two edges as they meet, which could have been better.

 

 

 

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Still, I'm happy enough with it. The short smokebox and piano-lid cylinder cover makes it a bit different from available kit versions. No other comparison intended! 

 

 

 

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So that's about it. Loco lamps and crew are on the workbench, and I need to fit couplings bars between the buffers. I also need some work plates, the one seen here is a stand-in of unknown origin. Does anyone know a source of 4mm works plates?

 

 

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8 hours ago, Mikkel said:

 

Thanks David, my soldering skills are very basic so I haven't really considered resistance soldering yet. I've seen it as something more advanced, but maybe that's a misunderstanding/myth. I see Raymond Walley has a page on it here: http://www.raymondwalley.com/misc/tools/rsu.html

 

Not so much an advanced skill as an additional one.  In many ways it is simpler than conventional soldering which it compliments - one does not replace the other in spite of Mr Walley's view.  If you tin the parts first, attaching them with the RSU is quick, easy and above all, very clean because you do not add any more solder.

 

It is like so many other skills, getting over the fear of the unknown to get going.  I have introduced a number of modellers to the technique and they now use it regularly alongside conventional soldering.

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22 hours ago, davidbr said:

 

Not so much an advanced skill as an additional one.  In many ways it is simpler than conventional soldering which it compliments - one does not replace the other in spite of Mr Walley's view.  If you tin the parts first, attaching them with the RSU is quick, easy and above all, very clean because you do not add any more solder.

 

It is like so many other skills, getting over the fear of the unknown to get going.  I have introduced a number of modellers to the technique and they now use it regularly alongside conventional soldering.

 

Thanks David.  I am on a bit of a minimalist drive in my modelling at the moment. It was originally prompted by the fact that my workbench is a desk in the living room of our flat, but it now seems to be growing on me, and so I am not that eager right now to get new equipment. I'll keep it in mind though, as there are possibilities for a workshop opportunity in the not too distant future, which may spark a more expansive mindset :)

 

14 hours ago, 5&9Models said:

Fabulous work as always, (and a very tidy and organised blog too)!

Thank you!

 

Thanks Chris, now how can I justify some open LB&SCR carriages on the back of it! Oh well, I suppose not. As for the blog it now seems to be 11 years old. Good grief, that's a whole lifetime for a dog. 

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Mikkel,

Your Dean Goods looks lovely, I hope that mine turns out as good!
 

Soldering the coal rails really isn’t too difficult - I think I mentioned in my thread that it does help to use different melting point solders but then I was soldering the completed rails to a metal tender.

 

No 2487 is obviously very popular, Dave Stone’s (Wenlock) carries the same , and mine was also going to be 2487 (I even drew up the plates and included them on an etch I had done) although when I built the chassis I decided to model one with fluted coupling rods instead, so will need to source some different plates when she’s finished.

 

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22 hours ago, mullie said:

That is superb,  a really lovely model.

 

Martyn

 

Many thanks Martyn. I'm very temtpted to have a go at another one but that would be madness!

 

19 hours ago, Ian Smith said:

Mikkel,

Your Dean Goods looks lovely, I hope that mine turns out as good!
 

Soldering the coal rails really isn’t too difficult - I think I mentioned in my thread that it does help to use different melting point solders but then I was soldering the completed rails to a metal tender.

 

No 2487 is obviously very popular, Dave Stone’s (Wenlock) carries the same , and mine was also going to be 2487 (I even drew up the plates and included them on an etch I had done) although when I built the chassis I decided to model one with fluted coupling rods instead, so will need to source some different plates when she’s finished.

 

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Thanks Ian, I appreciate the advice.

 

Dave's loco is 2467, so fortunately they're not quite the same. That would be like two women wearing the same dress at a party :D I chose 2487 because of the footplate and conrods of the Oxford model which fits that loco. And because of a nice photo.

 

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I haven't been on RMWeb for a while and it was a real treat that I came across your post! Excellent work, sir. It really does look excellent. well done. 

 

Best wishes,

 

Nick.

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Many thanks Nick. The Dean Goods has been busy shunting the layouts these past weeks. Of course it can't run very far on my small layouts, but whenever it starts moaning about wanderlust I put it on the rolling road. That seems to keep it happy :)

 

And welcome back to RMweb!

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Wowzer!  Fantastic attention to detail and research as per usual.  This is just a lovely model and think you have amazing building skills in this fiddly scale.   I can feel another story following along shortly with the Dean Goods as star.  As always I am in awe of your abilities.  Brilliant workmanship.

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14 hours ago, PaternosterRow said:

Wowzer!  Fantastic attention to detail and research as per usual.  This is just a lovely model and think you have amazing building skills in this fiddly scale.   I can feel another story following along shortly with the Dean Goods as star.  As always I am in awe of your abilities.  Brilliant workmanship.

 

Many thanks Mike. Lots of ideas for stories, but I can't seem to be bothered with them at the moment. I keep getting the camera out, only to end up running trains instead. 

 

12 hours ago, Alex Duckworth said:

Really nice model, great work. I always use Narrow Planet for etched plates, their quality is second to none.           https://shop.narrowplanet.co.uk

 

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Thanks Alex, I agree about Narrow Planet, the number plates on the Dean Goods is from there.  They don't seem to have standard GWR works plates in their range at the moment, but maybe I should get in touch with them and see what can be done. 

 

On this subject, I have been wondering about something. The 1978 Slinn version of GW Way shows this drawing of a GWR works plate. I have also seen it on one or two high end 7mm models. 

 

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GWR Swindon Works Plate by Star Cross, on Flickr

 

However, I understand that it is not in the current version of GW Way, and all the photos I have seen of Dean Goods has the more oval works plate. Don't have a good picture but they are similar to the tender plates like this one:

 

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The latter style would be what I'd want for my Dean Goods, but I'm a bit puzzled about the story of the first one, and what locos carried it. Anyone know?

 

 

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Would you say that the first type you show matches the ones on Churchward engines around 1900?

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On 28/06/2020 at 12:18, Mikkel said:

 

...Lots of ideas for stories, but I can't seem to be bothered with them at the moment. I keep getting the camera out, only to end up running trains instead. 

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On 28/06/2020 at 12:18, Mikkel said:

 

...The 1978 Slinn version of GW Way shows this drawing of a GWR works plate...However, I understand that it is not in the current version of GW Way, and all the photos I have seen of Dean Goods has the more oval works plate.

A couple of comments on the same post:

 

I know what you mean about stories.  I seem to have lost touch with the Wilcote family for quite a while.  Perhaps, when I complete my latest bout of modelling, I'll re-establish contact.

 

Concerning works plates - I modelled my own printed plates on the GWW 1st ed. model.  i must look at some prototypes more carefully before continuing.

 

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52 minutes ago, Northroader said:

Would you say that the first type you show matches the ones on Churchward engines around 1900?

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There's a 'Bauhaus' school of design about the original Churchward engines, before Holcroft added curves to the footplate.  With hind-sight, his modifications made GWR engines look more old-fashioned.

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On 08/08/2020 at 19:21, Dana Ashdown said:

Wow! 

 

Well done Mikkel!

 

Dana

 

 

Many thanks Dana. It took a while to get there, but it's one of my favourite locos now (not that I have that many, come to think of it!).

 

On 08/08/2020 at 20:24, Northroader said:

Would you say that the first type you show matches the ones on Churchward engines around 1900?

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I can't quite make out which one that resembles most. But here's a comparison between the two styles I meant. This:

 

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- also seen on Kevin Robertson's Dean Goods as featured on Bucks Hill here: https://www.buckshillmodelrailwayin7mm.com/uploads/1/8/9/4/18947699/dsc05305_orig.jpg

 

- as opposed to this single-arc style:  https://www.ssplprints.com/image/92253/earley-maurice-w-city-of-truro-name-plate-and-works-plate

 

- also seen on the Finney kit of the Dean Goods here: http://www.gwr.org.uk/liveriesloco1900.html

 

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On 08/08/2020 at 21:15, MikeOxon said:

I know what you mean about stories.  I seem to have lost touch with the Wilcote family for quite a while.  Perhaps, when I complete my latest bout of modelling, I'll re-establish contact.

 

Yes please, we eagerly await news of their exploits, including the carriage situation and progress wihin the fine arts!

 

On 08/08/2020 at 21:21, MikeOxon said:

There's a 'Bauhaus' school of design about the original Churchward engines, before Holcroft added curves to the footplate.  With hind-sight, his modifications made GWR engines look more old-fashioned.

 

For which Holcroft deserves the Order of Merit! :)

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On 08/08/2020 at 20:21, MikeOxon said:

There's a 'Bauhaus' school of design about the original Churchward engines

Utilitarian, perhaps, but surely båuhåus would at least have outside motion, if not outside piping everywhere?

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Many thanks Bill.

 

I'm very tempted to do a light modification of the other Dean Goods I have. I have a photo of 2322 with the early monogram livery and Belpaire firebox. Unusual combination.

 

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Would you say that your 5:1 mix of 70.850 & black is more appropriate to the pre-grouping era?   Would it have changed much by the 1930s?

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In my opinion that mix would be a bit too dark for the 1930s/grouping years. But it's so subjective, and the lining also makes a difference.

 

For me the grouping era green was like the photo of Pershore Plum towards the bottom of this page:

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Not sure what Vallejo colours might give you that though. Matt a.k.a. @Bluemonkey presents.... may know, I believe he uses Vallejo.

 

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