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Afternoon all,

 

Following the recent post and demise of my Meeth 2mmFS DJLC entry I promised to share my alternative proposal. Part of the decline of Meeth was that it had no real layout future beyond the competition - more time should have been spent thinking this through long game :rolleyes:

 

One idea I have previously toyed with in BCN, even in 7mm scale was a model of Treviscoe clay dries. The thing that killed off the 7mm one was the thought that I would want to purchase a class 37....so 7mm toe dipping on a budget was never going to happen :no:

 

Despite my excursion into Scottish railways (which I have thoroughly enjoyed) my real interest has always been in China clay so this seemed the natural choice (admittedly Meeth was also a China clay proposal) I have always been taken by the John Vaughan image of a class 37 edging past a dries building so it was time to revisit this but in 2mmFS.

 

I was aware of a rather nice 4mm layout on the forum loosely based on the Trethosa/Treviscoe dries area so it was natural that I first message Kevin to see if he had any objections to my project.

 

I outlined to Kevin that whilst his layout was inspired by the area my would be an extract of the prototype as per my usual preference albeit condensed as required to try and capture the flavour - I sent my track plan and Kevin graciously replied that he had no issues with it especially as mine was based on the prototype and was a different scale - he has even offered some photographic research help - top bloke :yes:

 

So the idea is to create an extract of the area between the two sheds which are connected by a high level conveyer of some sort. The 600mm x 234mm (approx.) 2020 DJLC competition area was overlaid on a google earth type snapshot and the area to be modelled was drawn over crudely in CAD - no Templot this end am afraid...

 

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Outline sketch...plan and very very very loose elevation (for Mikkel)... ;) 


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Crude CAD drawing...plan and elevation of fascia...

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Ditto but with overlay on google earth type image...

 

This gave the following scenario which would have a FY each side. The idea is that trains can arrive, shunt wagons into the dries building and collect later on. Perhaps the odd passing freight too on the front line. The era would start early eighties so clay holds but could expand to include CDA’s and also Cargowagons (As found during Internet searches) I have a rake bought for a Moorswater and Mark (46444) weathered one superbly...and has offered to complete the rake.

 

The next part of the process for me was to make a 1:1 mock up to test the idea with rolling stock. This would help gauge train lengths etc. The area was printed out at work full size and foamboard of varying thicknesses cut in preparation. This time I have decided to increase the front viewing window from my usual 200mm to 250mm...the jury is still out on this. The dries buildings have been guesstimated from pictures but I need to do more detailed drawings before they are built. The lighting has been integrated in the fascia with my usual methods and is a return to the IKEA strip lights I used in BCN. Am still pondering the Fiddle Yards but may use sliding perspex as per Kyle...how much of this will be on view is still being considered.

 

Here is the mock up made last weekend and posed with various rolling stock to help me decide whether it’s worth pursuing. The main idea is to try and build it for May 2020 however (a) if it does not get finished it might be presented as a work in progress (b) it has a life beyond the competition in that it could be offered as an alternative to Kyle which will no doubt start to retract from exhibitions in the distant future.

 

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View from RH Fiddleyard...

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View from LH Fiddleyard...

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37 arrives in loop on CDA’s...

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Front end view...not sure whether to reduce down viewing portal...

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Wagons left for loading and departing...

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37 on Cargowaggons...this one was expertly weathered by Mark (46444)...

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Passing through with Cargowagons...that yellow is ouch! 

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The two circular structures will be the China clay vats (name escapes me!)

 

This link to the Flickr photo sums up the area to be modelled quite nicely...but modern day...(not sure if image shows as I just added the link to it...Mods - I can delete if it’s a problem?)

 

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That’s where I am at with it. I am quite happy to return to a China clay layout as I have most of the stock from my Coombe Junction - Moorswater layout.

 

I am off work this week for 1/2 term so may look to make some initial progress.

 

As always, comments welcome!

 

Pete

 

 

 

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19 minutes ago, nick_bastable said:

Good man for starting again what track are you thinking of using ?

 

Nick


Thank you Sir - am thinking Easitrac for front road but PCB and code 40 BH for turnouts and rest of it...especially as will all be covered for concrete apron...

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The china clay vats are settling tanks, known as reception tanks - They are where the clay arrives at the dryers in a wet slurry form.

When settled, the thicker slurry is pumped out of the bottom of the tank on its way to be dried.

 

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49 minutes ago, nick_bastable said:

do I recall ( like I experienced) problems with covered track ?

 

Nick


Certainly did Nick - I had about 3 attempts on Moorswater :swoon:

 

Time to try and crack it I think...

 

48 minutes ago, LBRJ said:

The china clay vats are settling tanks, known as reception tanks - They are where the clay arrives at the dryers in a wet slurry form.

When settled, the thicker slurry is pumped out of the bottom of the tank on its way to be dried.

 

 

Thanks LBRJ...:good:

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Brilliant stuff Pete and plenty of JV inspiration abounds :good:

 

Looking forwards to further developments. ;)

 

Airbrush on standby.... :D

 

Cheers, 

 

Mark

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11 hours ago, 46444 said:

Brilliant stuff Pete and plenty of JV inspiration abounds :good:

 

Looking forwards to further developments. ;)

 

Airbrush on standby.... :D

 

Cheers, 

 

Mark


Thanks Mark,

 

All my 2mmFS China clay layouts seem to have started from a John Vaughan photo!

 

Fire up the airbrush ready for Wycrail ;)

 

Pete

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Hi Pete,

 

Looks amazing so far, I'd never guess it was 2 mm from the pics!

 

Best wishes,

 

Kevin.

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The world needs more china clay layouts. Funnily enough this is a prototype I’ve been looking at in 4mm!

Looking forward to seeing your progress 

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Pete, I was going to say that you are the King of mock ups, but somehow that doesn't sound as positive as I mean it! :D

 

Anyway I do think your mock ups are works of art in themselves.

 

I really like the track plan too, perhaps a clue in there for  modelling a mainline station in a limited space, too. I suppose it will be operated from the front, so it would have to be hands-off operation of the FY at one end, in order to avoid you walking back and forth?

 

I look forward to seeing this come to life. Not least this bit:

 

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12 hours ago, 37672 said:

Hi Pete,

 

Looks amazing so far, I'd never guess it was 2 mm from the pics!

 

Best wishes,

 

Kevin.


Many thanks Kevin - and for since sending me through the prototype photos - some great material there!

 

9 hours ago, ullypug said:

The world needs more china clay layouts. Funnily enough this is a prototype I’ve been looking at in 4mm!

Looking forward to seeing your progress 

 

Thanks also Andrew - agreed on the China clay layouts - at least you have a tiger available in 4mm...:yes: 

 

42 minutes ago, Mikkel said:

Pete, I was going to say that you are the King of mock ups, but somehow that doesn't sound as positive as I mean it! :D

 

Anyway I do think your mock ups are works of art in themselves.

 

I really like the track plan too, perhaps a clue in there for  modelling a mainline station in a limited space, too. I suppose it will be operated from the front, so it would have to be hands-off operation of the FY at one end, in order to avoid you walking back and forth?

 

I look forward to seeing this come to life. Not least this bit:

 

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Thanks Mikkel, very kind of you to say so.

 

Actually was planning to operate from behind as per all my layouts - just the way I prefer to do things. The layout including both Fiddle yards should actually sit on the support stands that have made for Kyle and operation will have buried magnets for uncoupling.

 

Glad you like the sketch extract - it started off as trees...but ended up looking more liked barbed wire...:D

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"The main idea is to try and build it for May 2020 however (a) if it does not get finished it might be presented as a work in progress (b) it has a life beyond the competition in that it could be offered as an alternative to Kyle which will no doubt start to retract from exhibitions in the distant future."

 

Kyle will still be available next April, I trust ?  If not, this would make an excellent replacement. :D

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37 minutes ago, Stubby47 said:

"The main idea is to try and build it for May 2020 however (a) if it does not get finished it might be presented as a work in progress (b) it has a life beyond the competition in that it could be offered as an alternative to Kyle which will no doubt start to retract from exhibitions in the distant future."

 

Kyle will still be available next April, I trust ?  If not, this would make an excellent replacement. :D


Thanks Stu,

 

Kyle will definitely still be around as it is booked through with shows until 2021 at the moment...that said, am happy to bring it along to SWAG 2020 in whatever shape it is in...bargain two for the price of one deal...:laugh:

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I see that finally a clay tiger is available in 2mm scale 😄


This may be the catalyst to fire up this project again as it has been on the back burner the last few years whilst I dabble in the senior scale 😳

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