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...but they will be replaced with something brand new!

For those that haven't seen my external blog, or posts on NGRM-online, after having had a huge clear out, I decided that now was the time to start afresh. Don't worry though, Sandy Shores is safe! This relates to the two previous layouts: Calshot (MkII), and Old AGWI Rd.

Calshot MkII was (rather obviously) the successor to the MkI version; my first "proper" model railway. Here it is in all its' glory back in 2010 (before I ruined it and the backscene with the 12 day extension build!):

 

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Above: The last appearance of the un-extended version of Calshot MkII was at the Brockenhurst Open Day in 2010. As you can see, it looked pretty smart, even if it was in an unfinished state!

 

The extension (nicknamed "Operation: Mirror Image"!), back in April 2011, doubled the size of the layout. It was built in a record 12 days, and to all intents and purposes, certainly looked that way; especially with the lack of a backscene and easily visible fiddle yard. The main reason for the addition was to allow the narrow gauge to be a circular loop, so that I could always have something running whilst I shunted the standard gauge section. It certainly achieved that, but that's about it! I was never happy with it, and as a direct result, both boards were left in the dusty garage for 9 or 10 years.

 

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AboveCalshot didn't fare too well from its dusty non-adventure! The track wasn't too bad, but I'll admit I wasn't too careful ripping it up, so all the narrow gauge stuff went in the bin (except the points, I think, although we'll see if they're worth trying to clean up). The only wood I saved was a little of the lattice frame at the back, and ply base itself. The rest was beaten up with a hammer. Structures were mainly in disrepair to begin with, although the hangar and maybe (big maybe!) the castle are salvagable with a lot of remedial work need later on. 

 

Somewhen during that time, two further layouts were started; The Old Road (a hugely overambitious standard gauge layout based on my once-local line), and Old AGWI Rd; a layout based on Fawley Oil Refinery, near Calshot funnily enough! The Old Road didn't last long when I noticed that I'd never have the room to put it up (it filled up our entire front garden!), and in fact I still have the boxes of Code 100 flexi track in boxes virtually unused! I also kept most of the buildings (although I doubt they'll get used again, so maybe I need a rethink there, too!).

 

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AboveOld AGWI Rd almost had its trackwork completed, with the exception of the standard gauge and fiddle yard. Here we see two of the four boards; the central triangular one (with the large shells of the power house evident), and the workshop area (complete with the aerial ropeway shed and dual gauge loco shed.

 

Old AGWI Rd progressed to the track laying stage, but I decided to take what I thought would be a 6 month break at most doing a diorama to test scenic techniques. We all know now that it turned into Sandy Shores; my proudest achievement in terms of railway modelling! Since then, the layout sat under a bed (so, for 5 years), and upon digging it out last week I noticed a myriad of problems with it. Long story short I decided that this was the time to boldly start afresh. And I'm glad I did, because the more I took apart, but more I noticed some serious problems! This was also true of Calshot, so both layouts were scrapped; most of the components from Old AGWI Rd were saved, but the majority of those on Calshot weren't. It took four days in total, but the time and effort spent being careful with Old AGWI Rd means that I can now reuse virtually all of the track, and most of the woodwork:

 

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Above: All the point motors, points, and the vast majority of the track was saved on Old AGWI Rd. Note that I've also kept all the wiring (and sorted it into bundles), every single screw, every electrical connector block... basically anything I thought I could get away with salvaging! That should reduce costs on the next project.

 

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Above: The pile of wood from Old AGWI Rd. Not everything was saved, but the vast majority was!

 

So, what now you may ask?

Well, of course there "has" to be a replacement for both layouts; especially now that Sandy Shores is finally nearing completion! The question is what? Well. As of yet I have no plans, other than I would like to revisit Calshot a third time; yes, really! What can I say? I'm a sucker for coastal scenes, and it's a really interesting prototype to boot. I'd also like a tiny bit (but not too much) of the oil refinery, so maybe I'll end up with a serious of modular layouts? Time will tell, but I will of course share all my thoughts, musings, and sketches as I come up with ideas. Either way, the design(s) need to be small, easily storable/portable, and unique...

 

...so watch this space!

 

Of course, if you have any comments, suggestions, or anything for that matter; do post below in the comments!

 

 

 

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Hi Jamie. 

 

How about something standard gauge Isle of Wight.....ish ?

 

Small seaside terminus thingy. 

 

Rob. 

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2 hours ago, NHY 581 said:

Hi Jamie. 

 

How about something standard gauge Isle of Wight.....ish ?

 

Small seaside terminus thingy. 

 

Rob. 


You're putting "bad" thoughts into my head, Rob... especially as I thoroughly enjoyed my trip to the IoW Steam Railway a few years back!
I do like the idea, and a car ferry ala Mr York's Keyhaven would be rather nice... perhaps an alternate history for Calshot Spit then... hmm... it would definitely still need narrow gauge though.

Another thing to consider, thank you! If nothing else, I can see that some 4 wheeled/older style coaching stock would be fantastic along with an O2 class.

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Calshot's not all that far from Fawley...

 

Seriously, another look at Calshot would float my (flying) boat.

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Just saying............

 

 

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8 hours ago, SouthernRegionSteam said:

 a car ferry ala Mr York's Keyhaven would be rather nice

 

I'd love to see you do a ferry scene Jamie, seems like just your style (but then, being Danish my childhood was full of ferries so I'm biased!).  You might even step back in time a little: http://haylingbillyheritage.org/category/places/train-ferry/

 

Always easy to be full of ideas on other people's behalf :D

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8 hours ago, St Enodoc said:

Calshot's not all that far from Fawley...

 

Seriously, another look at Calshot would float my (flying) boat.

 

You're right; it's not a million miles away, but a lot of modeller's license would be needed to shift them 2 miles (well, just under) closer.
Calshot is definitely calling to me the strongest... but...

 

5 hours ago, NHY 581 said:

Just saying............

 

I don't tend to accrue a large amount of stock... but I've wanted a push/pull set for as long as I can remember! I'm also keen to get my hands on an O2, as well as the IoW liveried "Terrier" (I've had the K&ESR's "Bodiam" for a long, long time!), and finally a USA tank (often found around Southampton, so it's actually pretty suitable here). Oh the temptations... I've bookmarked some links for further research :wink_mini: Now that I think about it, I can't even remember the last time I bought a OO locomotive!

 

3 hours ago, Mikkel said:

 

I'd love to see you do a ferry scene Jamie, seems like just your style (but then, being Danish my childhood was full of ferries so I'm biased!).  You might even step back in time a little: http://haylingbillyheritage.org/category/places/train-ferry/

 

Always easy to be full of ideas on other people's behalf :D


Blimey, that would be a challenge and a half; especially to get it working... it's funny you mention Langstone/Hayling Island, as I've been eyeing up that wooden bridge since I was a kid:

 

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Above: This was a 3D model (one of my first ones IIRC) of the Langstone bridge that I made a long, long time ago!


Oh, and look what I just found; one of my first sketches of the original Calshot MkI, back in 2008?:


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Must keep the layout small. Must keep the layout small. Must keep the layout small. Must keep th... :lol:

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On 21/07/2020 at 04:59, NHY 581 said:

Just saying............

 

 

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The Isle of Wight sounds good, although I may be biased :biggrin_mini2:

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9 minutes ago, LBSC123 said:

The Isle of Wight sounds good, although I may be biased 

 

It really is an attractive idea (I do love your plans for Shalfleet Quay), and I'm torn on what idea(s) to take further. As an aside, whilst coming up with potential names for the project, I even mashed together Calshot and Cowes to form Coweshot; although I doubt the name will be used!

 

Anyway, two weeks have already been spent mulling over options, and I'm no nearer to working out what I want! The appeal of the IoW and branch lines like Hayling Island are the shorter and older (therefore more interesting!) stock that lasted on them far longer than anywhere else on the mainland. That also goes for more industrial freight areas like Southampton Docks and such with their diminutive B4 tank locos (I really must get one!). So'ton Docks is inspiring, but urban isn't really my style (and besides, Graham Muspratt's Canute Road Quay fulfils that nicely); a crampt more rural wharf however could work in my favour.

 

I'm also keen to have a bit of narrow gauge, as was my original intention with the new layout; and particularly Calshot based! I suspect what might end up happening is two separate layouts; one being Calshot, and the other an alternative history for Lepe. I like the idea of an Artitec ferry (the HOe version as it's smaller!); I could either leave the rails in place on the ferry, or remove them and just have it for cars. Potentially, leaving them in place could allow both narrow and standard gauge to be included on the Lepe layout.

 

Lepe

I was going to save this for a future blog entry, but might as well post them here for the time being:

 

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Above:  To give a flavour of Lepe, here are the coastguard houses and watch house; all very pretty!

 

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Above: Two of my initial ideas for the dual module layout of Calshot and Lepe. Both have positives, but both have flaws (for starters these are not scale drawings, so will be optimistic with regards to what I can fit on 4ft max boards!). Both plans use a fair amount of modellers' license; especially Lepe. Oh, and there will also be a lighthouse at Lepe, as per the one built circa 2000:

 

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My biggest problem is the space required to make it look plausible/fit in the standard gauge. I want to avoid large boards, and especially board joins where possible; which puts maximum size (that will fit in my car at least) at 4ft x 3ft; the same as Calshot MkII. Even that's a little big for carrying through doors, so 3ft x 2ft would be better! Fine for NG, a little limiting if you want a SG station, no matter how short the coaches are. There's also the problem that all my layouts have had; it's no fun to run a passenger service if the station is right by the scenic entrance/exit because the layout is so short! An IoW station is a nice idea with those gorgeous 4 wheeled coaches, but a focus on freight will make the most of the limited space. I suppose the traverser could act as half a run-around loop to save space, but would obviously make the scenic hole twice as big at least!

The other problem being that the more I look for inspiration, the more locations I wish I had space to feature a little bit of:

  • RAF Calshot (NG)
  • Lepe
  • Ashlett Creek (NG) - Including a large mill and standard gauge travelling crane
  • Hythe Pier (NG) - Not much operational potential, but I love the pierhead overall roof in particular!
  • Lymington Pier (SG) - Used for the basis of my fictional station at Lepe, earlier.
  • Alderney Breakwater/Holyhead Breakwater railways (SG) (These are similar in theme, so I've bunged them together)

Industrial:

  • Fawley Oil Refinery (SG/NG)
  • So'ton Docks (B4 and USA tank locos!)

 

No doubt there are more I have forgotten about, but now that I look at the list; most inspiration occurs where there's a sea and railway in close proximity!

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This all sounds very interesting and not fundamentally different from my reasoning to focus on the goods side of things given the small space I'm dealing with for Shalfleet Quay, which is 4ft 9inches x 18inches. Although I have got a few of the Hatton's Genesis coaches on pre order and am looking to kit bash a Ratio Midland bogie into a push pull coach...! 

Lepe sounds perfectly plausible to me. In fact, my understanding was that line was built there to provide closer shipping routes to the Freshwater Yarmouth and Newport Railway docks at Shalfleet. ;)

I'll look forward to further developments, I'd suggest that trying to fit a rail ferry in may not be possible. I gave it similar consideration at Shalfleet but couldn't do it without dominating the scene, but a road connected ferry would provide a nice bit of variety. Of course you'd want to ensure that in modelling that you didn't use space that would otherwise be useful to provide more operating interest. You could consider the slipway without the ferry, assuming it's somewhere in transit? 

It all sounds very interesting, I look forward to seeing further progress. 

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2 hours ago, LBSC123 said:

This all sounds very interesting and not fundamentally different from my reasoning to focus on the goods side of things given the small space I'm dealing with for Shalfleet Quay, which is 4ft 9inches x 18inches. Although I have got a few of the Hatton's Genesis coaches on pre order and am looking to kit bash a Ratio Midland bogie into a push pull coach...! 

 

Absolutely, I tend to find shunting goods more fun than operating a passenger shuttle service, although I've also been looking at those Hatton's Genesis coaches! Very, very tempting, even if they are "generic"; not that I've ever cared for accuracy or detailing!

 

Actually, I might as well post my full stock list research, which are posted more or less ranked in order of most to least likely to be bought (the push/pull set would be lovely, but two bogie coaches would sadly take up half the layout by themselves!):

 

Locos:

  • B4 Dock Tank (Dapol) (SR black)
  • USA Tank (Model Rail) (SR black)
  • Terrier "Cowes" (Hornby) (SR Maunsell green)
  • O2 Tank (Kernow) (SR black)

Coaching stock:

  • Maunsell rebuilt exLSWR 48ft comp (Hornby)
  • Hattons "Project Genesis" 4 wheeled coaches (Hattons) (SR Olive green)
  • Maunsell push/pull set 619 (Hornby)
  • IoW LBSCR 4 wheel coaches (Smallbrook Studio)

I already have a Q1, and a BR standard class 2 tank to compliment the above; along with a motley assortment of wagons!

 

2 hours ago, LBSC123 said:

Lepe sounds perfectly plausible to me. In fact, my understanding was that line was built there to provide closer shipping routes to the Freshwater Yarmouth and Newport Railway docks at Shalfleet.

 

I'll explain a brief history next blog entry, but Lepe was supposed to, at first, join a rail tunnel to meet up with Cowes. Latterly that turned into the idea of a 470ft pier for steamer services to the IoW and Channel Islands (and further afield), although neither solutions were ever built. The LSWR eventually built the line as it stands today to Fawley Oil Refinery.
Edit: Just noticed what you wrote was slightly tongue-in-cheek. I see what you're going for now! :lol:

 

2 hours ago, LBSC123 said:

Of course you'd want to ensure that in modelling that you didn't use space that would otherwise be useful to provide more operating interest. You could consider the slipway without the ferry, assuming it's somewhere in transit? 

 

Absolutely, it really is a careful balancing act with a space this small. That's partly why I chose the smaller of the two Artitec ferries, if any. A narrow gauge feeder line onto the ferry itself wouldn't really make any sense now that I think about it; although I suppose an extension to the RAF Calshot narrow gauge railway could've been built to Lepe; albeit with a heap of wishful thinking!

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5 minutes ago, SouthernRegionSteam said:

Lepe was supposed to, at first, join a rail tunnel to meet up with Cowes.

Years ago I read about a layout that was based on that premise. If I can remember any details I'll let you know.

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Hi Jamie, 

 

I keep coming back to a pre-grouping light railway scenario, perhaps supported by the L&SWR. 

I agree regarding the  Hattons Genesis jobs  as these would tick the box for me and I can really see me going down this route myself at some point. 

 

The challenge I would gave is curtailing the dereliction that normally surrounds my efforts. 

 

I have to say that your plans are providing a degree of inspiration to the Sheep.......the woolly wheels are turning....

 

Rob. 

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2 minutes ago, NHY 581 said:

I keep coming back to a pre-grouping light railway scenario, perhaps supported by the L&SWR. 

I agree regarding the  Hattons Genesis jobs  as these would tick the box for me and I can really see me going down this route myself at some point.


Indeed, Rob! I must admit, I've had little interest in pre-grouping scenarios before now, but the trip to the IoW was certainly an eye-opener, at least with regards to rolling stock. That said, I still would rather keep things between 40s-60s, I like the idea of old stock clinging on for dear life on branch lines that are becoming more and more run-down. And besides, most of my existing stock better suits that timeframe anyway.

 

6 minutes ago, NHY 581 said:

The challenge I would gave is curtailing the dereliction that normally surrounds my efforts. 

I have to say that your plans are providing a degree of inspiration to the Sheep.......the woolly wheels are turning....

 

It has become your sort of signature theme, hasn't it! There's definitely nothing wrong with that though, and it's a setting I find very atmospheric; moreso than everything being clean and tidy! That said, I'd love to see you tackle something pre-grouping; a light railway scenario would be right up your street, and really suit your modelling style down to a tee. I've always fancied a Co. Stephens-esque line; somewhat ramshackle, quirky, and using old mismatched stock! If you were to do it, it means I wouldn't have to ;)

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9 minutes ago, SouthernRegionSteam said:

 

 

 

It has become your sort of signature theme, hasn't it! There's definitely nothing wrong with that though, and it's a setting I find very atmospheric; moreso than everything being clean and tidy! That said, I'd love to see you tackle something pre-grouping; a light railway scenario would be right up your street, and really suit your modelling style down to a tee. I've always fancied a Co. Stephens-esque line; somewhat ramshackle, quirky, and using old mismatched stock! If you were to do it, it means I wouldn't have to ;)

 

 

You're not helping one bit, young chap...

 

 

Lymington Pier has been an inspirational itch for some time as has your treatment of a seaside theme. 

 

Which brings me on to the fact that I'm thinking of Lymington Pier meets Shell Island...........all within the usual 4ft by 16ins..

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Rob. 

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11 minutes ago, NHY 581 said:

Which brings me on to the fact that I'm thinking of Lymington Pier meets Shell Island...........all within the usual 4ft by 16ins..

 

Yup... join the club; I know exactly your predicament:

 

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(A genuine photo of my desk not 5 minutes ago!)

I think we have a problem on our hands...

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