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Paul Robertson

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Whitsun week in the 1980's for me as a child was always spent camping on the coast at the Warren in Folkstone in a blue canvas clad frame tent. Days would be spent watching the Sealink ferries arrive and depart from the harbour along with the obligatory trip to the Romney Hythe and Dymchurch Railway and building massive sandcastles on the sandy beach, whilst at night I would go to sleep to the sounds of EMUs pounding along the Shakespeare Cliff coastal mainline (or rain on canvas!). My visits encapsulated the changeover from BR corporate blue to Network Southeast Sectorisation and the splitting off of Sealink from British Rail. I wasn't really aware of the Train Ferry just a few miles up the coast and never witnessed its operation first hand. But I enjoyed the atmosphere of the close proximity of boats and trains on our occasional walks in to Folkstone Town and past the Harbour Station where third rail emus would trundle past the fishmarket, over the harbour viaduct and into the curved platforms to await their dwindling number of international foot passengers off the grandly Nordic named Sealink ships. If I'd known now what interesting rail manoeuvres were taking place daily on the Western Docks with a free refreshing walk along admiralty pier to boot I think I could have persuaded my father to make an afternoon trip of it and clicked away a few shots with my kodak instamatic camera. 

 

My interest in building a train ferry layout stems from these childhood memories and also a growing interest in freight traffic and why we as a country seem unable to get so much of it off our roads. I appreciate the 'market forces / financial viability' arguments but there seems something intrinsically right about railways moving freight (which is the reason why they were built). I was also really interested in speedlink and wagonload freight and having come across David Ratcliffe's book (see below) it inspired me to think in more detail about a possible layout including childhood memories and my interest in limited freight traffic.

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Many iterations and plans were drawn up for grand loft layouts to model a whole working n gauge harbour but it quickly became apparent with a young family and lack of time and funds that such grandiose projects would have to be scaled down and so Seahaven was borne. Its primarily a shunting layout that works at 2.5 levels in n gauge and measures approximately 5ft by 1ft. the first 1.5 levels is a wagon shunting yard using a mock up of the rear end of Nord-pas-de-Calais as a fiddle yard connecting via a linkspan to the dockside, with a hidden storage yard off scene. Being new to n gauge and not having done any modelling since my teenage years I'm keeping it relatively simple and not going for movable linkspans or tidal effects! The 2nd level is the harbour station for third rail emus to trundle in and out from a connecting branchline through a suitably Shakespearean Cliff tunnel portal. As a suitably frustrated Civil Engineer I'm also enjoying detailing the structures and ensuring correct radii for roads, etc although I'm trying not to be too OTT on the detail, just want it to look and feel right. 

 

I made a start over a year ago one christmas on the base boards although have been collecting suitable stock for a lot longer than that with birthday money being saved up. This summer with staycations happening I decided to spend a few days working on the layout a bit more and this is the current state of play:

 

 

 

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As you can see still very much work in progress but gaining momentum now and really enjoying getting back in the railway modelling saddle! I'll try and keep this updated as much as possible as I add new stuff.

 

Thanks for reading

 

Paul

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You will be pleased to note that Seahaven already has its own Maritime Academy, secondary school, food bank and radio station https://www.seahavenfm.com/ . However these are about 75 miles west of Folkestone! Seaford and Newhaven share a number of facilities under the 'Seahaven' banner.

Calling your layout Seahaven will mean I shall keep popping back when the name surfaces. Best of luck. My own static diorama based on Highbridge Wharf is making some, slow, progress, but I have a nasty habit of acquiring bits of kit for it, making and/or painting them and not actually getting anything in the way of track and buildings onto the baseboard! The Wharf was at the seaward end of the Somerset Levels, so I don't need major infrastructure of the type that you are building.

The quayside bit was made some time ago. 

 

 

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8 hours ago, phil_sutters said:

You will be pleased to note that Seahaven already has its own Maritime Academy, secondary school, food bank and radio station https://www.seahavenfm.com/ . However these are about 75 miles west of Folkestone! Seaford and Newhaven share a number of facilities under the 'Seahaven' banner.

Calling you layout Seahaven will mean I shall keep popping back when the name surfaces. Best of luck. My own static diorama based on Highbridge Wharf is making some, slow, progress, but I have a nasty habit of acquiring bits of kit for it, making and/or painting them and not actually getting anything in the way of track and buildings onto the baseboard! The Wharf was at the seaward end of the Somerset Levels, so I don't need major infrastructure of the type that you are building.

The quayside bit was made some time ago. 

 

 

 

Hi Phil - Many thanks for your reply. Choosing Imaginary names is always tricky as they always seem to be taken up by someplace else before! My paternal grandfather had an O gauge layout with white cliffs and a little terminus all scratch built in his garden shed called 'Whitehaven'. This was freelancing on the original Whitehaven name which I know exists in Cumbria. My Grandfather was also a hobbyist model engineer who had a combined interest in ships and trains (must run in the genes!). My father still has a gauge 1 ex-working LNER B12 loco (memories of my brother and I being propelled behind it on a short demonstration track in the garden on sunny weekend afternoons in our youth) and a roughly 1:76 scale model of the paddle steamer 'Golden Eagle' in glass cabinets on his stairs. Unfortunately the copper boiler tube of the B12 sprang a leak in the late 80's after approximately 50 years service and thus its steaming days are now over.

 

At least I'm in the same rough BR region. Interestingly my first ever railway layout as a teenager was named 'Seaford' which I had deliberately named after the place having wanted to find a modern third rail seaside terminus small enough to fit into my tiny bedroom. Never having visited the place that layout too was borne from my imagination although I had caught the ferry from Newhaven for a family holiday once. The name popped up after scanning through some detailed AA road Atlas's. 

 

Liking the look of your diorama some lovely detailing on the small ships. Wasn't aware of Highbridge Wharf, but its fascinating to find about all these little ship to train transportation nuggets that are slowly receding into history. A little further down the coast at Bridgewater is another small Wharf by the River Parrett I believe is still used by Hansen Aggregates which from an aerial reconnaissance via google earth still seems to have some wharfside track in place although unfortunately long since disconnected from the national network. (See screenshot below)

 

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Anyway many thanks for taking the time to comment and good luck with your project too! Hope to see you back here soon

 

Kind regards

 

Paul

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I have some photos of the model of Seaford station in the town museum. I took them for a photographic project I am working on, on the understanding that I did not publish them. However I would be happy to send them to you. I am not sure how to use the RMweb for that, but if you email me at philsutters@googlemail.com I can send them to you.

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9 minutes ago, den250 said:

Just seen this layout on twitter based on the same area as yours unless it is yours Screenshot_20200904-163024.png.538a580ba57382ef4f9c1a9f731844ec.png

 

Ah! oh well, nothings totally original I guess! I'll have to look that one up. Many thanks for the gen!

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4 hours ago, phil_sutters said:

I have some photos of the model of Seaford station in the town museum. I took them for a photographic project I am working on, on the understanding that I did not publish them. However I would be happy to send them to you. I am not sure how to use the RMweb for that, but if you email me at philsutters@googlemail.com I can send them to you.

Thanks for the offer Phil. I'm more looking for prototype photos around Admiralty pier, the linkspan, the Nord-pas-de-Calais birthed up so I can check out moorings, operational clutter, etc. The station I want to build is probably going to be something art deco in style imagining a 1930's railway terminus built for the original boat train traffic (imagine Surbiton station by the sea!) but a bit run down and unkempt now but with some of its original grandeur coming through. I'll keep your offer in mind though. Thanks again

 

Paul

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Bishopstone is deco by the sea! The other side is somewhat less interesting as the building is at footbridge level. You do have the added interest of the WW2 pillboxes around the central tower. There is a station supporters group who have exhibited plans at an open day.

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