Kelvinbank, a Caledonian Railway project.

I think there has to be room for this kind of speculative wagonry. There are plenty of PO wagons that are known to have existed - e.g. from the railway company PO wagon registers - without any record of livery. So, one has to take the plunge and produce a wagon and a livery and lettering style that is appropriate to the place and date.

 

I've been looking at the Midland Railway PO wagon registers (courtesy of Ian Pope of Lightmoor Press) - these give one a head start as they record dimensions, doors (side/end/bottom), and, crucially, builder.

3 hours ago, Compound2632 said:

... courtesy of Ian Pope of Lightmoor Press...

Home of infinite rabbit holes and a never ending supply of tea and biscuits to accompany PO wagon discussions.

The chap in the background looks a bit shady too. Dunno what he is doing up here………

 

 

Pocket-sized lumps for Hogmanay ?

Or he could be a pig iron thief who hasn't thought things through.

 

Nice wagons Dave - and always lots of interesting detail to explore in the photos. The backdrop is such a stroke of genius, it works every time.

Very nice as always Dave.

 

Nice scene.

Edited October 12, 2020 by J. S. Bach

The Charles Brennan wagon,  dumb buffered wagons  are not often modelled, from the Keith Turton books,  in spite of the efforts of the RCH,  dumb buffer wagons remained in traffic long after the  deadline  for conversion to sprung buffers

2 hours ago, Pandora said:

dumb buffer wagons remained in traffic long after the deadline  for conversion to sprung buffers

 

I'm afraid that's not quite accurate. With the introduction of PO wagon inspection and registration by the railway companies alongside the introduction of the RCH specifications for new construction, dumb buffer PO wagons were not built after 1887. Conversion was encouraged (requiring registration) but as far as I'm aware there was no deadline as such for that. Dumb buffer wagons were finally prohibited from running in traffic on the railway companies' lines in 1913. They are still to be found in photos of early Edwardian goods yards; there is, though, some regional variation.

2 hours ago, Compound2632 said:

there is, though, some regional variation.

Wasn't it about the time of the Grouping for Scotland?

2 hours ago, Regularity said:

Wasn't it about the time of the Grouping for Scotland?

 

Interesting; the railway companies were acting in concert through the RCH - why should the Scottish companies have broken ranks? Correction to my date of 1913: "the railway companies remained firm in their intent to phase out dead-buffered wagons and set 1910 as the date by which this was to be accomplished. Another determined rearguard action by the owners obtained a further concession until the end of 1914, but that was the final throw." A. J. Watts, Private Owner Wagons from the Ince Waggon & Ironworks Co. (HMRS, 1998).

That’s a fine looking wagon and I think the speculative build based on research is perfectly acceptable. Nice work.

3 hours ago, Compound2632 said:

why should the Scottish companies have broken ranks

Early ploy for independence...?

Chapter 2.6 in the wagon book gives the information that the RCH recommendation was 1910, postponed to 1915. After that remaining solid buffered wagons were not allowed on some routes and could not work into England. ( A summary, more details therein)

Many wagons were converted including the CR D22, the CR issued a drawing in 1900 for traders to follow for conversion.