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CSP 1361 GWR Saddle Tank for Stonehouse St James


ullypug

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It's been a long time since I posted anything on here. Time doesn't seem to be what it was and a painfully slow divorce coupled with Covid restrictions has hampered modelling progress.

 

But in a rare alignment of planets, stars, work and other more domestic arrangements I've actually had a couple of days at the modelling bench. Must be a holiday or something...

 

I've been building a little Covid layout using the EMGS track and turnouts, details of which will follow I'm sure at some point. The layout is a small inglenook style affair and goes by the name of Stonehouse St James. It is set in the err, Stonehouse area of Plymouth some time in the 1920's and is of PDSWJR origin but having been taken over by the LSWR and now SR. The GWR has running rights so a variety of rolling stock will be seen. The primary role is goods for the navy's victualling Royal William Yard but an occasional passenger service will operate. There's still plenty to do but at only 4ft 6in long, it doesn't tale up too much space.

 

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I've converted a Dapol B4 'Guernsey' to EM by skimming down the wheels and the next engine I wanted to tackle was a GWR 1361 saddle tank

 

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What started out as an optimistic attempt at converting a DJM/Kernow 1361 GWR saddle tank has turned into a full kit build. The DJM tank is impossible to convert to EM. It's hard enough to get apart. No fault of the model, but the way it's been designed means a replacement chassis cannot be done.

 

So having optimistically opened the CSP models chassis kit, I've actually taken it further and started building the kit which I had anyway. It's always been a favourite loco, ever since I saw Bob Haskins's one on his Cornwallis Yard layout. It'll look nice with a shunter's truck when it's done.

 

The origins of the body kit certainly are Peter K and I think the chassis is a shot down 7mm etch from Pete Stamper of Agenoria vintage. I've built one of these chassis before in P4 for a 1366 tank and they're really quite straightforward.

 

The chassis has been built with full springing via CSB's so an additional secti0n was cut out from the frames for the rear axle horn block. I decided to use EM frame spacers instead of those in the kit as they were too narrow. Hornblocks are High Level and wheels Alan Gibson. The gearbox comes with the kit and is a High Level Road Runner driving the rear axle.

  

I had a bit of a disaster when one of the rods sheared at the half depth layer when I was enlarging the holes but thankful I had a universal rod set in the spares box from Alan Gibson so a new rod was made up without bother. Quartering was by eye viewing through the spoles and all is rolling well so far. I forgot to take a piccie of the chassis with the rods on but you'll just have to trust me on that one.

      

The slide bars and cylinders bolt to the front of the chassis and can be removable. 

 

The brake shoes and rods are removable using a spigot for the top hanger and pivoting about the rear shaft. Something I've copied from High Level kits.

 

The footplate is made up of a basis carcass with overlays for footplate top, buffer beams and valences. 

  

With just the coupling rods to fettle and connecting rods to add, I'm not far off a working chassis. Hopefully the body won't be too complicated but that's for another day.

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  • RMweb Gold

You do know how to pick interesting prototype railways! Just had a look around various websites to read up on the PDSWJR, some lovely stock including the coaches.

 

The short but deep layout design is interesting, am trying something similar myself at the moment. Are there fiddle yards at both ends?

 

 

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3 hours ago, Mikkel said:

You do know how to pick interesting prototype railways! Just had a look around various websites to read up on the PDSWJR, some lovely stock including the coaches.

 

The short but deep layout design is interesting, am trying something similar myself at the moment. Are there fiddle yards at both ends?

 

 

Not at the moment. There can be though the idea is just to shunt around on one board for now. Track plan attached.

 

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  • RMweb Gold

I like this very much, Andrew. Nice size of baseboard too!

 

You are brave tackling the CSBs! Have you done any before? I just can't get my mind round the science behind them!

 

And as for the impossibility of converting the Kernow/DJM model to EM or P4, well, that does seem to be the way some manufacturers are going, although the Hattons/DJM 14XX is do-able. John F (Re6/6) has been converting one of the Rapido 16XXs to P4 and although he would say it's been relatively straightforward, I still maintain that the design of the loco has made it far, far too complicated and awkward, whereas it's Bachmann contemporary - the 94XX, looks pretty straightforward to me.

 

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On 08/04/2021 at 11:18, Captain Kernow said:

I like this very much, Andrew. Nice size of baseboard too!

 

You are brave tackling the CSBs! Have you done any before? I just can't get my mind round the science behind them!

 

And as for the impossibility of converting the Kernow/DJM model to EM or P4, well, that does seem to be the way some manufacturers are going, although the Hattons/DJM 14XX is do-able. John F (Re6/6) has been converting one of the Rapido 16XXs to P4 and although he would say it's been relatively straightforward, I still maintain that the design of the loco has made it far, far too complicated and awkward, whereas it's Bachmann contemporary - the 94XX, looks pretty straightforward to me.

 

Afternoon Cap’n

CSB’s are not that complicated really! I’ve been using them for ages. The first one I built was for a 2-8-0 42xx tank. I’ve never had any bother. You need to think ahead with frame spacers to make sure the wire has a pathway through. The ride qualities they bring are superb in my opinion.

Chris at High Level does a really simple jig to set the anchor locations and the horn locks just have a tag soldered to them. The tricky part is knowing what all the spacing should be but the CLAG website has plenty of examples and if in doubt I just ask the helpful people on the Scalefour forum. 
Good to know about the 16xx. I have one of the Nucast Partners kits which has a Rumney Models designed chassis. The 94xx is also useful as I intend to do one of those. Despite being a red route engine and theoretically too heavy for the line, there’s a photo of 8492 at East Somerset Yard on the Cheddar Valley branch.

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On 07/04/2021 at 11:49, ullypug said:

Not at the moment. There can be though the idea is just to shunt around on one board for now. Track plan attached.

 

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Thanks, I like some of the solutions there. Getting ideas!

 

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  • RMweb Gold

Really nice to see some progress, Andrew. Sorry to hear of the other bits. 

 

Take care,

 

Nick.

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