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Bristol Barrow Road - Lawrence Hill Junction Signal Box - Update 8

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I set up the full layout in preparation for a visit by the Glevum Group earlier this week and took the opportunity to position the box on the layout - I have since decided it is not in the correct positon - to take some photos.

 

In the photos the roof now has all but the final couple of layers of tiles, but these have since been added. The finials are from MSE and the two chimney stove pipes are from brass tube. Following a discussion at the meeting about the ridge of the roof and a subsequent site visit to the old Warmley Signal Box, near Bristol, I decided the box does not have ridge tiles. The 'ridge tiles' are in fact normal tiles which are closely 'butted' together and must have had some form of sealant underneath to prevent to ingress of water. These have been added and the roof is ready from priming.

 

Further observation of my photos revealed the box nameboards have 'white' paint around the perimeter and so I have removed the the red paint.

 

After some discussion with the Captain and Mr Venton - the two Tim's - I now have sufficient information to make and position the 45 lever frame inside the box. Closer examination of photos od the box reveals the frame was positioned at the rear of the box which enabled the signalman to have unfettered access to the front windows for sighting purposes. It is possible the original frame was at the front and was repositioned around 1936 when a new frame was installed.

I am awaiting a delivery from Masokits to add the remaining two packs of levers to the three already in my possession [10 per pack] and then I can make up the frame and levers. The frame will need some modification to represent the Midland style 'barrel frame'. I'm looking forward to this task as it will make a change from white roof tiles....... the white coat and padded cell beckoned :D

 

I'm in the process of resizing the photos I took at the tuesday meeting and will post them shortly but if you are desperate Paul has added some on his P4 Workbench thread Kempenfelts P4 Workbench .....nice one Paul.

 

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Wow, it looks brilliant so far! George Pryer's diagram in "Signal Box Diagrams of the London, Midland & Scottish Railway (L.M.S.) - Volume One - Bristol Area" does indeed have the frame at the back of the box and states that the M.R. Tappet frame with 6" centres was installed in 1938. As you say, it was most likely at the front of the box before this.

 

Do you have this book? If you would like me to make a list of lever colours and which levers would spend most of their time reversed or perhaps some route combinations that would be possible at the same time then let me know. It would be a shame to produce such a fine signal box with an irregularity in the interlocking!

 

Cheers,

Alex

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Wow, it looks brilliant so far! George Pryer's diagram in "Signal Box Diagrams of the London, Midland & Scottish Railway (L.M.S.) - Volume One - Bristol Area" does indeed have the frame at the back of the box and states that the M.R. Tappet frame with 6" centres was installed in 1938. As you say, it was most likely at the front of the box before this.

 

Do you have this book? If you would like me to make a list of lever colours and which levers would spend most of their time reversed or perhaps some route combinations that would be possible at the same time then let me know. It would be a shame to produce such a fine signal box with an irregularity in the interlocking!

 

Cheers,

Alex

 

Hi Alex,

 

I have not heard of the Pryer book, is it still in print, if so I shall have to buy one? If not is there any chance of you copying the diagram for me please?

A list of the lever colours would be brilliant as would some route combinations. I have some information about which levers are which from a hand drawn diagram for the box but it is incomplete and the signal record society's website does not list this box although Engine Shed sidings is included.

So far I have fixed lever 35, which according to my information is a spare, but the diagram and lever details would be much appreciated.

 

I've also just come across your website especially the working timetable information for Temple Meads. I particularly liked the parcel train data as I am trying to gather details of the coach formations of the various trains which passed the shed. Any help here would also be appreciated.

 

Cheers,

 

Robin

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I have not heard of the Pryer book, is it still in print, if so I shall have to buy one?

 

I would try and track one down if you can, though it might be tricky. The ISBN is 1-904318-07-X, good luck!

 

A list of the lever colours would be brilliant as would some route combinations. I have some information about which levers are which from a hand drawn diagram for the box but it is incomplete and the signal record society's website does not list this box although Engine Shed sidings is included.So far I have fixed lever 35, which according to my information is a spare, but the diagram and lever details would be much appreciated.

 

I've quickly produced a list of levers and added them to my website.

 

Alextrack - Lawerence Hill Junction Signal Box

 

I wouldn't trust the lever lead nomenclature, it's only something I jotted down and I'm a Western man at heart and struggle with Midland peculiarities. I can't believe how 'messy' the frame is, the levers are all over the place. Thank god I was born in South Devon! :lol:

 

A few comments that you might find interesting... None of the starting signals were "locked by the block" so they are devoid of a white band. As far as I can tell there were no electric points or signals so all the handles would be full length, levers that don't require effort to pull were cut down as a reminder. With detonator placers the chevrons pointed up for up lines and down for down lines. Levers 19, 20 and 22 worked both the point and FPL (facing point lock) so were bottom half back and top half blue.

 

An interesting combination could be...

 

29,30,37,39,42,43 (Engine from shed to say Westerleigh Yard)

24,31,32,33 (Down Train for WR)

 

I've also just come across your website especially the working timetable information for Temple Meads. I particularly liked the parcel train data as I am trying to gather details of the coach formations of the various trains which passed the shed. Any help here would also be appreciated.

 

My interest in various prototypes changes quicker then you can say "armchair modeller". Last month is was back to Newton Abbot, the past week I've been putting some more work into Midford (thankfully the Southern were responsible for the S&D signalling!). I will try to complete the details of the Midland passenger workings though, do you have a specific year you're modelling or would like to base the workings on?

 

I hope that helps!

 

Cheers,

Alex

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I would try and track one down if you can, though it might be tricky. The ISBN is 1-904318-07-X, good luck!

 

I have one on order from Amazon

 

I've quickly produced a list of levers and added them to my website.

 

Alextrack - Lawerence Hill Junction Signal Box

 

I wouldn't trust the lever lead nomenclature, it's only something I jotted down and I'm a Western man at heart and struggle with Midland peculiarities. I can't believe how 'messy' the frame is, the levers are all over the place. Thank god I was born in South Devon! laugh.gif

 

That's brilliant - many thanks Alex

 

A few comments that you might find interesting... None of the starting signals were "locked by the block" so they are devoid of a white band. As far as I can tell there were no electric points or signals so all the handles would be full length, levers that don't require effort to pull were cut down as a reminder. With detonator placers the chevrons pointed up for up lines and down for down lines. Levers 19, 20 and 22 worked both the point and FPL (facing point lock) so were bottom half back and top half blue.

 

An interesting combination could be...

 

29,30,37,39,42,43 (Engine from shed to say Westerleigh Yard)

24,31,32,33 (Down Train for WR)

 

 

I will try to complete the details of the Midland passenger workings though, do you have a specific year you're modelling or would like to base the workings on?

 

My time period is generally the 1950's & early 1960's but more specifically 1960 to 1962 before diesels took over a lot of the steam workings. I have obtained copies of the Sept 1962 to June 1963 passenger & June to Sept 1961 Freight timetables and have drawn up a schedule for passing Lawrence Hill Junc box but if you able to provide additional information that would be most welcome.

 

Cheers,

 

Robin

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I've quickly produced a list of levers and added them to my website.

 

Alextrack - Lawerence Hill Junction Signal Box

 

I wouldn't trust the lever lead nomenclature, it's only something I jotted down and I'm a Western man at heart and struggle with Midland peculiarities. I can't believe how 'messy' the frame is, the levers are all over the place. Thank god I was born in South Devon! :lol:

 

 

 

Hi Alex,

 

I have been asked to write an article on Lawrence Hill Junction box for MRJ. Would you have any objection to me using your list of levers in the article - credited to you of course?

 

Cheers,

 

Robin

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