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Class 47 detailing project. Conversion of Bachmann 47. "A P4 Brush 4". Part 2


Jon020

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Some progress has been made on the “Brush 4â€, to the extent that I think the “body†is now done.

The main area of focus has been around the front ends, in a bid to try and make the model look a bit more like the prototype. As I’m sure I mentioned before I’d acquired some Extreme Etchings Class 47 windscreen surround etches... and very nice these are too. So I wanted to use these and soon realised that these would be quite a bit bigger than the Bachmann openings so an improved look could result.

I also wanted to replace the handrail, having already removed the “thick†plastic handrail beforehand. Originally, I simply used some 0.6mm brass wire in three sections. Two short sections were fitted to the inner holes and a large piece shaped to the handrail contour (by placing it flush to the nose and easing it to fit) and then slightly bending to form the correct (or approximate) elevation contour.

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The two inner pieces were then glued in and filed to size (under 1mm) and the main handrail glued in, with the rail touching the short sections... securely glued in place (zap-a-gap pink).

Once fitted these looked much finer.

Then.... aargh! Realisation dawns!

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On comparing the model with prototype photos, it became apparent that the distance between the handrail and “nose lip†[dimension A] should be greater than the distance between the handrail and the headcode box [dimension B]. And on the model it wasn’t. I’d used the original holes... so is the Bachmann model wrong... well...

I removed the handrail pieces (the small bits refused to budge so were filed flush) and started again. This time, I drilled new holes about 0.4mm lower than the originals.

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You can see the originals still in place which serves to illustrate the miniscule change. BUT, now the dimensions are better A is now > B... which is what I wanted... suddenly I think it looks a bit more “47†like. Which is good; it would have been a shame to put the effort in and see no improvement.

Now, I needed a replacement for the headboard bracket. I was trimming the original prior to refitting when it slipped from the tweezers: twing... dink dink dink. 45 minutes of searching later..... not found - was seen headed in direction of bookcase. I'll find it again... one day maybe. I posted a “help†thread on here and this revealed some useful leads, etch parts and ViTrains parts suggested.

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Thanks to John Upton for sending me some spare ViTrains brackets; these arrived a few days later and looked very nicely shaped... but a bit big. So... hmmm.

Fortunately, I went to the Watford Finescale model show that weekend and had quite a nice chat (as ever) with Mike and Brian on the EE stand... and I discussed my project. Oh, and Nimbus came with me. Poor quality photos I’m afraid, but seen here on Brian’s stand next to his original “55†body conversion... where it drew some admiring glances (smug mode engaged)

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and then she stretched here legs (wheels) on Mark T’s Portchullin where she ran... not very well... but she did move and what’s a little derailing amongst friends... it’s P4 for goodness sake! Oh and the volume was too low – seemingly a factor with either Mark’s Gaugemaster or my Powercab... because he was nice and loud when I got him back home.

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Anyway... thanks Brian (and Mike for putting up with it) and Mark. But, I digress...

For the 47, Brian (or was it Mike?) suggested the EE lamp iron etch, just fold them up. Blimey I thought, that sounds fiddly... but you know what, er... it was! But worth the effort. Scale metal brackets... and glued on with rocket max they seem quite secure (fingers crossed).

The other item discussed was... er I’m not sure which loco I’m doing at the moment, but an Finsbury Park Generator.... “what, an early oneâ€.. beamed Mike, “maybe†says I.... “are you changing all the cant rail grills then?†My face fell. “What!?†“The grillsâ€, “They’re different on the early onesâ€. Oh ‘eck. I need to look this up – something else I’d not noticed. “Windscreen wipersâ€, I said, “do you do thoseâ€... “yesâ€, “straight or pantograph ones?†Oh eck... I bought both feeling a little embarrassed... all in good fun. We spoke about the 37 I plan to do next and a 08. DON’T ON ANY ACCOUNT START TO TALK TO THEM ABOUT THESE... YOU’LL REALISE THAT YOU HAVE QUITE A JOB AHEAD OF YOU... oh for a simple conversion. Sob.

As for the 47s cant rails... yes. See for 47404, which is different, and for 47414 which is reassuringly the same... I might have found one to model!

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Anyway.., back to the real task in hand... Prior to the show, I’d rung Brian and had a chat about the laserglaze screens. I wanted to use these as they do look good... they’ve appeared in George Dent’s blog recently and probably Model Rail... so I was going to use them too. Now, if you’re just replacing the glazing and cleaning up the original frames, use them as advertised; if you’re going to fit the true-scale etch frames, think again.

Because the Bachmann screens are a little small, if you fit the etch frames, you’ll find that the screens sit inside the frames with a small gap between them and the frames. In some cases this might not show, but it didn’t feel right. “Brianâ€, I said “are the laserglaze items for the Heljan 47 any bigger?â€... knowing that this is the “tubby duffâ€... “Oh yes†says Brian... “in fact they fit the frames very wellâ€. RESULT. So, I’d acquired some of these and set about making the backmann openings bigger to accept the new glazing.

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The photos show the comparison between the two, with the Heljan glazing and Bachmann glazing in the frames, and a direct comparison of the two sets of glazing – look how much bigger the Heljan ones are!

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Oh, and some advice: these glazing items are not rectangular... they’re curved, but only very subtly... be very very careful to make sure you have them the right way around and up... it’s very easy to get them mixed up when trying to decide how to open-up the hole for them.

Anyway, to get them in the right place, I temporarily fitted the etched frames and then scraped the plastic away from inside the edges... as shown.

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This left me with a “frame sized hole†to work to... the frames could them be removed and sanding gently, the hole was eased out “square†on each side equally to the point where the glazing would give an “interference†fit. The shots show the TI and frame carefully balanced in place to show the effect.

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The glazing was removed and put away carefully and all frames then well and truly glued in place. I think they look ok... and the look of the 47 is improving.

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These also show how much material was removed from the section in front of the windscreens... this really needs the lip lowering to provide room for the frames and give a neater, crisper profile. I don’t think that the quantity of yellow paint helps. Next time it’ll be stripper before starting. Too late now, this time though.

As mentioned before, an alternative headcode (lamp) bracket was sourced and bent and fitted. I think it looks very neat.

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A slight weekend departure saw me helping to operate Brighton Road at the Modelworld show on Friday – thanks Matthew for capturing me running the Teak set on a south coast to Victoria slow. Learning the fiddle yard operation was challenging but very rewarding; thanks to Barry Luck for letting me help.

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I managed to pick up a Bachmann 105 DMU (Blue/yellow) DCC fitted for £75 too, which I was quite pleased about. Then... I spent a little time on Sunday with the airbrush weathering track and applying some lighter shades to the scenic portions of my boys “roundyâ€. It’s getting there!

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Back to the 47... and time to work on some finishing details. The Extreme Etchings roof fan grills were carefully removed from their fret (not careful enough) and rolled and fitted. You might see the slight damage to one grill but I’m hoping that some suitable weathering will eventually hide this.

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Actually, I think that George Dent had a similar mishap... so I’m not too bothered about this ####s up. They are very delicate.

Finally, there were two more details to add. The first needed a little further research, which revealed this photo and I was able to construct something suitable using microstrip and <1mm length of .25mm wire. Not very precise, but I think it’ll do. The photo from Tomstaf was also very useful.

The photo shows that I used a tiny slither of bluetack attached to the (now blunt) tip of the SM blade to pick up the wire piece to position it.

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The next photo shows one fitted and one microstrip piece awaiting its “bit of wireâ€. These are the ex-washer jets.

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Finally... promise... I noticed that the Finsbury Park Generators (411-418 that I was focussing on included ... as these have the same cant rail grills as the model)... look again at the earlier photo of 47414 (linked) and you’ll see two rivets under the headcode box. Further research identified that this was for the 34G shed plate... and all FP ones seemed to have it (that I looked at)... others didn’t.

So, I reached for the Archer waterslides and approximately positioned two “rivets†as desired.

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Oh, and as mentioned before 47414 now looks a likely candidate ... was crew built (eyebrows and tail lights are right)... and fuel tanks don’t look too bad (but that’s a future problem to resolve) so I think it’ll be ok.

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The end results looks quite different from the start point... and possibly worth the effort... so I wrote it all up.

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Photos uploaded to flickr as before... and a light dusting of primer to be applied as time permits. But this will do for now.

Chassis next... I hope that it’s not too difficult, but I’m not holding my breath.

 

That's all for now.., thanks for reading. Hope that some of it was interesting if not useful

 

Jon.

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Lovely work as usual Jon, them windows and frames really make a diffrence. great reading as always & Nimbus is still looking well, I saw Brian up at Doncaster who helped me empty my wallet for some more deltic bits, just finding the time now to start another one........must be some kind of addiction to the damn things!

Keep good work

James

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Jon, is this the longest blog entry ever on RMWeb? :-)

 

I think it might be, so good thing that is totally fascinating stuff! Your style and the careful documentation of each step and issue is very captivating. I also like how you then switch to your round-roundy :-) Quite a contrast, but another great project, just with a different angle (its all about the angle, isn't it).

 

The fantastic detailing work you are doing here is similar to building a whole layout, I think - in fact, in a way your 47 project is a whole "layout" in itself.

 

Oh, and those windscreen frames look fantastic.

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Another great entry Jon.

 

I too enjoyed the digressing and loved the pic of Nimbus on Portchullin...

 

I can see how you were sharing the loco detailing frustrations of the other day, but its well worth all that pain (if only that the second end always goes must quicker than the first...assuming you work one at a time and not both together?)

 

The comparison shots are great and the 'eyebrow detail' and roof overhang really give the loco that something extra.

 

Look forward to see the next episode...spraying or pipes and wires?

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Lovely work as usual Jon, them windows and frames really make a diffrence. great reading as always & Nimbus is still looking well, I saw Brian up at Doncaster who helped me empty my wallet for some more deltic bits, just finding the time now to start another one........must be some kind of addiction to the damn things!Keep good workJames

Thanks James. I think that the trouble is that once you start improving models with these etched items, you'll never go back to "fudging" it... There's still a need to scratch build a number of bits... we can't expect Brian (or Peter) to provide everything.., but it does colour your judgement when you see awonderfully weathered model that lacks some simpel detailing that you know isn't too challenging. Addictive? maybe.... but I can handle it ;-)

Brilliant stuff as ever...

Thanks Mike

Jon, is this the longest blog entry ever on RMWeb? :-)I think it might be, so good thing that is totally fascinating stuff! Your style and the careful documentation of each step and issue is very captivating. I also like how you then switch to your round-roundy :-) Quite a contrast, but another great project, just with a different angle (its all about the angle, isn't it).The fantastic detailing work you are doing here is similar to building a whole layout, I think - in fact, in a way your 47 project is a whole "layout" in itself.Oh, and those windscreen frames look fantastic.

Longest blog.... er well, I did ramble a bit didn't I. Sorry (?) I find that once I get "in" to writing, it flows quite nicely. As long as I have the photos to hand, I can use these as a "plan" for what to write. Glad you approve.

I agree, I think the detailing is worth it... the parts are certainly well designed and made and only really let down by the installer, but he's learning.

Another great entry Jon.I too enjoyed the digressing and loved the pic of Nimbus on Portchullin...I can see how you were sharing the loco detailing frustrations of the other day, but its well worth all that pain (if only that the second end always goes must quicker than the first...assuming you work one at a time and not both together?)The comparison shots are great and the 'eyebrow detail' and roof overhang really give the loco that something extra.Look forward to see the next episode...spraying or pipes and wires?

Pete, thanks... again. The loco details discussions with Mike and Brian often leave me with a feeling of "what have I let myself in for"... when you don't know the inaccuracies, you don't see them... once you know they're there... then there's no hiding them. I thought the Bach 37 would be an easy job until Brain showed me what he'd done to one of his demo models... and whilst this corrected the windscreen pillar thickness it then highlighted the nose side grill to be in the wrong place. Ooops I shouldn't have said that should I... now you know it's wrong too. So, the grill needs removing (no I'm not sure how I'd do that) and then the nose curved around a bit more and the yellow extended backwards to meet it (not forwards as they've done on the recent versions). I can see that that one will be a job to tackle another day.

It was quite surprising how much of a difference that rain strip makes... and that now comparing the "after" with the "before" in that last shot really does show the failings of the original front end. Some primer will hopefully highlight any more work needed.

AND I must really tidy up those cutout headcode panels which the cruel photos show to be a little rough.

VERY tasty young sir...

Thank you sir..; I'm always happy to be called "young".

 

I had another look at the cant rail grills and confirm that the locos with the simpler style were the 1500s.... the first ones at FP. I'm not sure whatthe reson for the mods was... can't find it identified anywhere, but I presume that it might have been somethign to do with the cooling and replacement of the fixed 3-piece grills with teh 2-piece Serck shutter panels, but th early 1500s didn't seem to retro-fit these. There was a voltage difference with these ones ETS too (like the Deltics).. was it 800V rather than 1000V or something ? To be honest, I just don't know... it'd be nice to find out though.

 

Thanks .... to all

Jon

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Jon this is shaping up to be another well crafted conversion, something to put my 'general impression' modelling into perspective and help me drive forwards. I always enjoy reading your less frequent but well written, and somewhat rambling blog entries! Definitely always entertaining.

 

The 47 is looking lovely - I hope you can finish and weather her to the same standard as Nimbus! At some point you're going to have to start on the depot to house them all these lovely re-works too...

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Jon this is shaping up to be another well crafted conversion, something to put my 'general impression' modelling into perspective and help me drive forwards. I always enjoy reading your less frequent but well written, and somewhat rambling blog entries! Definitely always entertaining.The 47 is looking lovely - I hope you can finish and weather her to the same standard as Nimbus! At some point you're going to have to start on the depot to house them all these lovely re-works too...

 

James, if I may paraphrase you "a well written rambling blog"... I like it!

Thanks for the comment and for reading through my tome.

I do intent to try to aim for perfection.. it's always a nice target... so you're still quite high when you fail. That's my logic anyway. I intend to try to get her looking reasonable... so that she can sit asides Nimbus. That's the plan.

Layout/depot.... er yes. I do have some early ... er ... plans. I even got a copy of Templot; can't work out how to use it very well yet, but I have managed to draw a crossing. It's a start. If you're familiar with Jim S-W's photo plank (the OHLE one), that's my inspiration... that and "Sandhills" dioramas. I've got the Bachmann single road servicing shed... and plan to use this in a small servising point rather than a full depot (that's P4 for you). Had a long chat with Brian Hanson the other week, about the trackplan for KingsX Passenger Loco... all the odd turnouts and mix of rail types. I'm not that ambitious... yet. But the first C10 turnout is done and kit for second one on the shelf.

 

Yours are hardly 'general impression' James... they're excellent, and the big stuff is very serious stuff... much more than fun. But then fun's what this hobby is all about isn't it!

BRs

Jon

 

FOOTNOTE: For the chassis I'll be hollowing out the tanks to take some speakers. At the moment the chassis is fitted with a Howes ESU 4... but a better speaker install is needed... so I'll be doing some digging for info.

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Thanks Matthew. Er, glad you didn't... I think the Heljan O one is as narrow as their OO one is tubby.

 

Can I also just add another footnote, having read through my initial entry here, the points relating to the 37 and 08 were not meant as singularly Bachmann bashing; far from it... I like the models as they are.. which is why I got them in the first place; iId just wanted to see how they could be improved upon; I was just a little surprised at how much "could be done" in this regard.

So.., hope that that's unoffended anyone that might otherwise have taken issue at any unintended suggestion.

Jon

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Jon

 

May i kindly suggest, you get a life??? :D :D

 

You have far too much time on your hands and you're making the rest of us look bad!! ;-)

 

Seriously mate, another cracking model - think i'll start shipping my Deltics down for you to work on!! :D

 

Rob

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Hi Rob, too much time??? I wish ;) More Deltics, er as if I haven't enough to be doing!!!!! :friends: Thanks for the comments. I can't make anyone look bad... I just aim to convince others to be as mad as me! :D

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