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  1. 92220

    Camden Shed

    Thank you dggar, that’s very helpful as always. I have the signalling diagrams for the southern end of the WCML but I hadn’t looked at them in detail for a while. What you’ve written confirms access to the north end of the shed from the down lines via the through siding. I can replicate those moves now. What I hadn’t thought of was the access to Camden Goods. But since that is represented by a comparatively minute facsimile on my model, I suspect a loco lift is the best option. I have been thinking about signalling too but that is further down the priority list at the moment. It’s fascinating how convoluted the railway evolved to be, both north of Camden Shed and also to the south beyond the steepest part of the bank. Iain
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    Camden Shed

    A job that needed to be done was to add the off-scene trailing turnout on the down fast to allow access to the shed area from the NW, via the single line next to the Pembroke Castle pub. i assume that this move was necessary for a banking engine that had to give assistance for longer than usual beyond the top of Camden Bank. I imagine that this was more likely to be the up train engine banking ecs which was under the charge of a less powerful loco, often a Std 4mt or a 2-6-4 tank of various types. But all that could be wrong. Down fast is at the bottom of this photo: A Peco large radius right hand code 75 got the LNER4479 treatment to enable it to match the very gentle curve here, and also it needed to fit with the code 75 to code 100 change. After the Mr Nicholas jiggery pokery to enable the gentle curve, it was prepped as usual (remove the tiny wires connecting closure rail to common crossing, then electrically bond the stock rails to closure rails on each side. Remove the spring, lay it, wire it, and then fit and wire the tortoise). I chose the tortoise option as that will be the motor for all the scenic area, so the ease of wiring it was clear. I also started hacking the board about to insert the inspection pits all through the shed: I got further than the photo shows but didn’t take another. I had spent a little time thinking about the way to build these. Peco inspection pits were used on mk1 Camden, heavily modified. Briefly, the chairs were removed, carefully filed flat, and the holes filled. Then they were marked out, and bullhead rail laid on L1 bridge chairs. These pits have all been recycled into Camden mk2, but are all used up with the ash pits and inspection pits outside the shed. To buy and modify as many Peco pits as I need here would add significantly to the cost (I need 1300 chairs for the shed alone). So I’ll just scratchbuild the pits from plastic. Also, I almost certainly will not bother with the wheel drop in the servicing shop which is roads 6&7 from the mainlines. Iain
  3. 92220

    Camden Shed

    Thanks Lez. I am pretty close to finishing the trackwork now. Only 4 simple turnouts plus this formation to go, and I have plenty of ply timbering left. I think my simple turnouts are ok as built with ply and plastic chairs now. I only used copperclad through the diamonds for the stability of soldering those very short pieces of rail needed to maintain electrical isolation through the crossings. Once I realised the issue with thickness I thought I’d better use as much copperclad as I could through the turnouts too, and plug the gaps later. Adding the n/s shim under the rail significantly complicates the process too. I am using pieces slightly too large and then using the Dremel to remove the excess leaving space for chairs to be added. If - or more likely when - I restart, I think I will use brass chairs on copperclad selectively through the turnouts, with ply timbers and plastic chairs between these. Only through the checkrailed diamonds and where the rail pieces are so small will I need to use copperclad and shim. I think, at least. I also noticed a problem with timbering through the second diamond. I only have one timber between v and k crossings each side, but I need 2 to give a sensible look to the rail break. Probably the timbering which interleaves from the first diamond and the two adjacent turnouts should be revisited too. That seems now to be not as logical as it felt when I did the Templot plan. Iain
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    Camden Shed

    Thanks both. I have been away at a conference the past two days and mulling things over in the evenings, I’d almost certainly decided to restart. It’s actually very smooth-running through the bits of the formation that have 2 running rails On the expense front, it has got a lot more expensive to build your own track. Copperclad is like bitcoin, and both rail and chairs mount up. I just calculated that I need around 1250-1300 L1 bridge chairs for the pits inside the shed. Are there that many in existence? Iain
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    Camden Shed

    Interestingly, or perhaps not very interestingly at all ….. 1mm thick new C&L copperclad is 0.95mm Old C&L (1.06 nominally) 1.20mm Thin sleeper flexi 0.74mm Thick sleeper flexi 1.45mm I didn’t measure a thick ply timber but these are supposed to be 1.5mm Iain (mine of useless info)
  6. 92220

    Camden Shed

    I’m now having a go at the 3 turnout and 2 diamond formation by the turntable. It’s the entrance to the shed area in reality so it has to work effectively. I decided to build it in copperclad, in contrast to the rest of the s&c on the layout which is all ply timbers and plastic chairs. The reasoning was that, to maintain insulation gaps and to isolate each v and k effectively, there are a lot of small pieces of rail through the diamonds, which are fully checkrailed. When I built this for Camden Shed Mk1, some of those pieces were only secured by a small number of chairs, leaving open the greater possibility of movement and consequent unreliability. So being able to solder each piece ought to make it easier to ensure that it works. I also wanted to lay the rail on top of some nickel silver shim, so that cosmetic chairs could be added once fully built. I bought what I thought was enough 4mm timbering from C&L. But it wasn’t quite. Mistake number 1. No matter - the timbers omitted are not pivotal and can be replaced by ply ones. Now, the copperclad was 1mm which I thought would go with 1mm sleeper C&L track. Mistake number 2. It’s considerably less than 1mm and more suitably matched to old thin sleeper C&L flexi. I’ve continued and I am building it gradually, but I’m half thinking that I’m heading down a pointless path and I should just start again with thicker copperclad, matched to the thicker flexible track and ply sleepers. I’ve just got hold of some older 4mm copperclad timbering which is nominally 1.06 mm, and it is appreciably thicker than the new batch I have been using, and matches the rest of the layout. In that lot also came some brass 3 bolt chairs, so I might discard this effort and start again. There is I, hope, some method to the madness of laying one rail all the way through the 2 diamonds to begin with. It was about creating a smooth gentle curve through both diamonds. I was planning to gauge everything off this before removing it and then laying the individual pieces for that side again, gauged from the opposite rail. Anyway, the jury remains out. Iain
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    Camden Shed

    High praise….. 🤪 😂 Seriously, thank you as always for the advice, support and encouragement, Graham. Much appreciated. I hope to bring some more Camden locos to assist with the roster on Shap at some of your future shows, if that would be appropriate, and in time I hope that we can reciprocate. I think that the scene as it is will represent 1950ish to 1963 well enough, and with a couple of replacement signs on goods shed, signal boxes and mpd entrance, the model will be able to backdate as far as 1937. Your 6221 with the Coronation Scot past the shed, anyone? You do make progress a little faster than I do, though! Thank you, Bryan. That’s too kind. I’m not especially skilful, honestly. I just learned a great deal from a lot of generous, excellent, truly skilful and knowledgeable people on here and elsewhere, and I’ve been prepared to have a go. Hopefully, I will have some more updates to continue the story soon. Best wishes, Iain
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    Camden Shed

    South end of the shed yard coming on well: It all runs well with a light rigid wagon which ought to find most imperfections. But there is a fair bit of wiring and testing with locos to do for everything to be signed off. I’ve also, through incompetence, missed out the two inspection pits on the two roads immediately adjacent to the ash pits, so these need to be done. Incidentally, that light rigid wagon is a part scratchbuilt and part Parkside spares ex LMS lowfit, which will eventually add a bit of variety to the wagon fleet serving the goods yard. I’ll get around to finishing it and post some photos some time. Iain
  9. Hi Tim, I will see about reuploading some of the photos from the past on my thread. I also found a couple more of my turntable under construction: Templot is a huge boon, yes. Although its capabilities are so far beyond mine. I have managed to insert the crosssings, shift timbers and extend the check rails so I am about to embark on building that section. Iain
  10. Thanks for connecting me to this thread, Graham. And for such a kind intro! Tim (I’ll make a wild assumption) - delighted to find this thread and happy to let you have any info that I have gleaned. To say that I am interested in Camden 1960 might be an understatement, but to say I have intimate knowledge of the turntable is in turn an overstatement. Most of what I have is printed material, with some on CD, and I can’t remember when I last had a computer with a CD or DVD drive. I took the slightly easier (!) way out by heavily modifying a Peco OO turntable. The long promised Metalsmiths Cowans and Sheldon 70’ turntable didn’t look like materialising 10 years ago and it’s even less likely now. The Peco one is a touch long of course and has some different details but replacing all the handrails and building the platform with the vacuum apparatus on it seemed to give a passable imitation. Being brutally honest, in comparison to yours, that is all it is: a passable imitation cobbled together from a few photos. I don’t have many photos of the construction, but a few are below. best wishes, Iain
  11. I’ve not been completely idle. Haven’t completely decided on its identity yet but a few of the standard 4s were regularly passing the shed especially on ecs as far as I can see. They all seemed to be the earlier cab type with the original double handrail design and BR2 tender. A few more bits of detailing and tidying to do before it can be cleaned and painted. Iain
  12. 92220

    Camden Shed

    I hope everyone is well. A few updates from Camden: All the mainlines have been painted following the addition of all the 3rd and 4th rail (which took a while), and testing. Progressing a little with building the track for the shed area. There are two formations in particular that need to fit precisely together. One is at the very eastern corner of the shed itself where there are 4 turnouts linked. And yes, I have run out of rail before completing these. Awaiting C&L shipment now. The second is the iconic Camden formation by the turntable, which I haven’t started yet but which I have to get right or the entire layout won’t work. Me being me, I planned it a couple of years ago with simple pieces in Templot to ensure the alignment of track with the turntable itself, but didn’t get around to adding all the crossings, extra check rails and timbering. I was planning to build this section using copperclad with a shim under the rail to add cosmetic chairs subsequently, on the basis that the complexity of adding all those check rails while still maintaining electrical isolations would be better achieved that way. The rest of the s&c on the layout is ply timbers and plastic chairs as you can see. I could simply build around this template (or a better printed version than this rough one for planning purposes) by working it out myself or I could try to get Templot to do that work for me. Any suggestions welcome. I also built a DJH BR Standard 4. For no very obvious reason. But this one and one or two others will hopefully have a fair bit to do on stopping services and ecs in particular. There is a little detailing and tidying up to do before it can be finally cleaned and painted once the weather is warmer. A few other things to come in another post. Iain
  13. Interesting reversing rod? I assume it’s been damaged and they aren’t actually going to be like this? Iain
  14. Good evening Tony, Catching up on the thread from a couple of weeks ago. This photo brought back wonderful memories of a day with you at LB, all too long ago. I would love to revisit again one day, if and when it’s ok for you, and I have a few more things to bring along now. The Bachmann 92220 in your photo, which breezed through with 15 mainly kit-built carriages behind it, is pretty extensively modified: Extra weight for improved adhesion and haulage Loco-tender coupling as per your usual arrangement to reduce the gap Loco lifting rings on front frames Correct pattern front coupling with extra link and bracket Vacuum pipe Remove steamheating pipe base from buffer beam GWR pattern lamp irons Buffer shank steps on loco and tender Remove NEM pocket from front bogie and fabricate spring and damper Gibson front bogie wheels Gibson smokebox door dart New handrails with correct pillars Comet front steps Cab doors (they're actually tender doors on the model and in real life....) Tender buffer beam details Tender coupling "goalpost" Nameplate and commemorative plate New injector pipework under fireman's side of cab Driver's side under cab pipework with Comet fittings and copper wire Water pipes from tender to injectors Remove steam heating fitting and pipe from side of firebox (only fitted in preservation) Detail copper pipes and chimney cap as copper not black or brass return crank adjustment Is it better than/as good as the new Hornby one? Almost certainly not, in many respects. Most of what I did is covered by the exquisite detailing of the new one. Although the under smokebox step needs to go unless you’re modelling 92220 in the last 18 months of active service. There is also the bonus of there being at least some modelling in mine. Another consideration is that while I am confident I can make a better looking, running and hauling Black 5 , Scot, Patriot, Jubilee or Coronation by building Comet frames than by using the rtr chassis, I definitely couldn’t guarantee making a similarly improved 9F. One reason is the complexity of 5 axles (that’s just something I haven’t yet done ) but another is the wheels available. One day I might try. It’s not as if I have much more than Rule 1 to justify a 9F at Camden. Anyway, best wishes to you, Mo, and all WW readers and contributors. Iain
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    Camden Shed

    Hi Peter, I hope that at least some of the ironwork is still out there somewhere. For the model version I’m probably going to have to compromise with the nearest fit from this page: https://yorkmodelrail.com/product-category/00-scale-ho-scale/canopy-brackets-and-valances/ Unless my 3D printing skills get a big boost quickly! Best wishes, Iain
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    Camden Shed

    Hi Peter, Very happy to help in any way I can, and equally interested in your project. I will send you a PM with my contact details, but feel free to contribute here too. Thank you. Best wishes, Iain
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    Camden Shed

    Hi Stanley, Always good to hear from you my friend. All ok here, just v v busy and rarely have time here to do a lot. Have completed the 3rd/4th rail on the DC/slow lines, hopefully managing to locate the barrow crossings/walkways correctly. Now building the pointwork for the shed area and making sure it all works as I go. Plus building a loco, well, just because! All the very best Iain
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    Camden Shed

    Good afternoon Peter, thank you for all and any contributions, absolutely none of which are, or are likely to be, irritations. I’m delighted that this is of some interest, and I hope it might be more helpful if I build a bit more of it and operate it largely as intended. Others on here have helped me hugely and will know more but here we go. The 1950 track plan from BRILL July 1994 that I am working to matches the red revisions on the one above, and the 1948 OS map which I bought. From what I have gathered, locos would come on shed after taking an up train into Euston either: Providing banking assistance to the ecs move out of the station, and coming on shed by falling back as the pilot and stock crossed from the Down EC line to the down fast and then down slow. The two lines to and from Euston and the shed were effectively the “wrong” way around. Some moves requiring banking assistance seemed to go straight along the down slow and so it would take a train loco via either down crossover and the scissors in whichever direction was appropriate onto the shed as it fell away from the rear of the stock. Or some locos simply reversed onto shed along the down EC line which doubled as a down loco line. Whichever of these happened, the loco was then moving tender first along the NE face of the shed to the turntable. It was then turned, and then coaled, and ash deposited at the ashplant. It would then take up a position at the SE end of the shed, facing north, awaiting reversing down the bank to Euston to take another down train out of London. It would have been watered at one of the water columns as appropriate during this process, since the shed area was so tight. If a loco needed more work than simply servicing, it would end up in the shed itself, having had the fire completely dropped rather than just cleaning the ash etc. There is a lovely account with accompanying photos of all this in Modern Railways the world over I think that was the case from around 1937 when the modern coaling and ash plants were completed, until it stopped being a steam shed in 1963. Now, I’ve probably got something wrong, or have explained it poorly. So please do feel free to ask. best wishes, Iain
  19. Thanks, Alan. Mine is here: Various damaged Hornby Scots and a Patriot donated bits. Plus a Brassmasters chimney, top feed and other gubbins, a load of scratchbuilding, Gibson bogie wheels, Comet tender body, full repaint, Fox nameplate and transfers I made several errors: Top feed pipe should be at least half embedded in the cladding. reverser support bracket was the wrong way round I didn’t lop 1.5 mm from the smokebox after lengthening the boiler by 3.5mm, so overall the smokebox door sits about 2mm too far forward. I used a Hornby Patriot chassis, which has the wrong drivers and balance weights (should be Scot ones) and more importantly was doomed to failure in the usual fashion. Iain
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    Camden Shed

    Thanks for the heads up. Reading this at 11:15pm in Mumbai, and wondering how on earth I can get a copy! Iain
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    Camden Shed

    Thanks again dggar, and Mike. That clip is wonderful. Iain
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    Camden Shed

    That’s extremely helpful, thank you. Hi Graham, If you’re looking at the photo I think you’re looking at, no that’s just in primer. The section was subsequently sprayed using a Railmatch can: If that looks too red, it’s helpful to know and I can adjust. I was planning then to use the airbrush to weather the whole lot once ballasted, so this is just a base colour really. Not sure about York yet - it falls during the only 10 days I am in the uk for the next 11 weeks, so a pink ticket may not be justified. But thank you and if I can come, I will, and I’ll bring something appropriate to support the roster. Iain
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    Camden Shed

    Thanks. I had assumed the goods yard shunters would be allocated to Willesden, but helpful to know that some were 1B. Come to think of it I had seen an allocation of 0-6-0 shunters in one of the shed books, but had also made an assumption here that crossing the very busy lines to get to the yard would be impractical and so they were there for some other duty. Do you mean they were allocated there in 1959-60 or that they changed to the D numbers then? I have found from http://shedbashuk.blogspot.com/2015/12/camden-1935-1963.html D3849 and D3850 were there in Jan 1960. Iain
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    Camden Shed

    As far as I can make out, the numbers on the shunters on the photos I have begin with 13 so I imagine someone (ie almost everyone) will know more than I do. A bit more progress on rebuilding Primrose Hill station: Plastic roof added and marked up so the courses of slates can be glued on and not look horrific. I couldn’t create the exact roof profile as on the prototype because the overall building shape is a slight approximation, so the ridge line on the section running SE-NW isn’t raised and it’s just an L shape. Using the same technique as I did before, which I think came from Geoff Taylor’s Right Track DVD. Slate pattern printed on thick paper, cut out two lines at a time. Each slate is cut only about 1/3 of the way through both courses so that there is the impression of separate slates when completed. Each course is stuck on with PVA, overlapping one course at a time. The PVA is then smeared over the top to smooth and seal. The rest of the station buildings had a few more things done. The platform was surfaced with 280 grit wet and dry paper, and edged with plastic profile. Canopy roof used 400 grit - these seemed to give something in the way of texture but without overdoing it. Stairway completed. Roof of this and all of the Goods Shed workers’ ablutions building roof sections painted with a “bitumen” mix of satin black and talc. The station building roof I made up a mix of Precision slate grey which is quite a blue-green grey, and a Humbrol grey. Water tank, gutters and down pipe made, painted and added - although a couple more still to do. Need to add the station canopy supports too. The section of the 4 mainlines in front of the station has now been sprayed with some track colour and sleeper grime, then cleaned. Still to add the white paint blobs for the 3rd/4th rail insulators, but otherwise I hope it’s looking ok. Iain
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    Camden Shed

    Thanks Mike. I have a few photos with some diesel shunters in the background in the goods yard but I can’t post them. I’ll try to read some numbers but they are a little blurred. Would love to pick your brains on signalling one day. I have the signalling diagram and plenty of not-very-clear photos. Best wishes, Iain
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