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  1. Quite true Phil, BR were not perfect! in fact the 13's were more powerful than the 14's and the 10's were introduced before the 09's, but, in principle, and certainly with the larger loco's, thats the way it works out. BTW, I'd say inconsistancies, not inaccuracies. I'm still trying to find some documentation about this subject, I'm sure something must be out there! regards, doug
  2. Hi, Just come across this thread and thought that I'd add my two pennoth. There has been a lot of good info so far, as well as some regurgitated inaccuracies, many of which are written down in various books, therefore are taken as gospel. Now, no one as yet has actually looked at how the 1968 class numbering system was constructed. The basic principal was Class 0X Untyped locos e.g. shunters Class 1X Type 1 loco's (actually start at Class 13, 10 - 12 overran from 0X) Class 2X Type 2 loco's (Class 20 was nominally Type 1, but, within the Type 2 power range) Class 3X Type 3 loco's Class 4X Type 4 loco's Class 5X Type 5 loco's (Actually start at Class 55, 50 - 53 overran from 4X, 54 not used) Class 6X Type 5 loco's (Overrun from 5X, although I doubt that there would ever have been a 69!) Class 7X DC Electrics Class 8X AC Electrics Class 9X Everything that didn't fit anywhere else Within each Class range, the lowest horsepower came first and date of introduction as a secondary filter. e.g Class 20, 21 & 22 were all 1,000hp (at least the originals were) the 20's were introduced first, followed by the 21's with the 22's being last as the were introduced a couple of weeks after the 21's. Now, lets consider the Class 4X. Both the D600's and the D200's were rated at 2,000hp. Now, the 600's were introduced before the 200's, therefore had the 600's been allocated a class number it would have been Class 40 and the loco's we know and love as Class 40 would have been Class 41. Interesting, isn't it! Regards, doug
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    class 22

    Just a quick update, The Project Class 22 Society have purchased and transported to a secure yard in South Wales, NBL/MAN L12V 18/21 BS engine number 220. This engine was new in a Class 22 and used in at least 3 Class 43 between 1964 & 1969. It appears to be in a good condition and has been barred over successfully. We are some time away from a attempted start as we will be overhauling the Governor, Overspeed device, Injection pumps and turbocharger as they have been exposed to the elements for some time. Please visit our website www.Class22NewBuild.co.uk for more information, or join our 'Project 22' Facebook group.
  4. Doug

    class 22

    Following on from David's post, we have knowledge of 3 NBL/MAN L12V 18/21 engines, all were originally fitted to D833 (Class 43) Warships and we believe that all were fitted to D6306 (Class 22) at some time during their life. We are still looking out for many parts that can be used, main one being a Voith LT306r transmission, we think we have tracked down one or more on the Continent and are investigating further. On the smaller scale, we are looking for things such as seats, Gauges, wiper motors, switches, lamps etc. all the bits that will take time to find as most are not available new. Modern equivalents for some parts will be available and will need to be used, but, we want to make this as authentic as possible. So, as David says, come and join us. Become a pioneer in Diesel New Builds! Regards, Doug Project Manager for the Project Class 22 Society
  5. Doug

    class 22

    Hi, all, Project 22 is alive and well and is looking forward to an official launch later this year. We have only been in existence for a few months and have already found a source for the original NBL Drawings, the first of which are on order. There is a running L12V 18/21 BS engine secured for our use by a benefactor and we know about the one at Bury. There is a lead on a possible 3rd engine as well. Our website is being developed so keep looking at www.class22newbuild,co.uk or visit us at "Project 22" on Facebook. Come and join us for the very first Diesel new build! Doug Project Manager for The Project Class 22 Society
  6. Yes, thats the way I beleive they were built. What we never knew was which car had which colour seats. Until now that is. On page 16 of Kevin Robertsons new book "Blue Pullman Pictorial" there's a photo of kitchen car 60733 with the following stencelled on the rubbing beam - Train 2, Type 4, Scheme 1, which translates to Set 2/3, kitchen car, red seats/blue carpets.Therefore, the full set would then be Power Car 60092 Red Seats Kitchen Car 60732 Blue Seats Parlour Car 60742 Red Seats Parlour Car 60743 Blue Seats Kitchen Car 60733 Red Seats Power Car 60093 Blue Seats As for whether set 0/1 was the same way round or the opposite we still don't know .
  7. W60095 was released from its last light overhaul 01/09/71, so that ties in.
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