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  1. There isn't really a lot to tell. West of St Austell kaolinized granite was very sparse, with deposits occurring all over the place, but never very much in any one place. A lot of it was used for brickmaking rather than shipping as regular bulk clay, as there was much demand for fire bricks at the height of Cornish metal mining. The workings near St Just were one of the more significant deposits in the west, and occurred on the St Just moors. The deposit was ultimately split between two works; Lower Bostraze and Leswidden. The latter was closed during WW2 and never re-opened, while the former ended up in ECC hands, working in rather primitive fashion until the early 90s. "'Ow 'bout Bostraze?" became the common retort from Goonvean & Rostowrack employees whenever the ECLP lads jokingly referred to the company as "Goonvean & Prehistoric".
  2. This was going to be my suggestion as well. I know that the chaps at Pendon have a very similar process for their hand painted card models and that's held up for donkeys now.
  3. Just the ticket, that's heaps better! All you need now is some seagulls and a few people looking a little worse for the cider!
  4. 3mm to the foot is technically 1:101, but I suppose whether you use 100 or 101 will depend on whether having a "round foot" or "round scale" is more important to you... I doubt the difference between the two would be visually obvious. 1:120 US TT is an absolute dinosaur at this point so that standard isn't really relevant. Since 3D printers allow us to have scaled scenery items such as cars, trucks, figures, etc. in whatever scale we like I'd say there isn't really a need to use one scale over another - once you deviate outside of HO, O, or N there isn't any support so using 1:101 over 1:120 doesn't change anything except the accuracy of the gauge. Like I said earlier, the Walthers Cornerstone structures are often slightly under-scale/selectively compressed, so with a bit of minor modification the HO structures can become "decompressed" 3mm scale structures without taking up any extra space. Of course the other way to do it is to use HOn3, and 3D print components that allow you to re-gauge HO chassis.
  5. Well that was my point in my original post, there were so many of these systems across North America (which to be clear, includes Canada, USA, and Mexico) and so many went under the radar, that you have that "plausible deniability" so to speak. So 20th century US industrial narrow gauge is in my opinion one of the most broad subjects in it's creative scope... it's just such a great canvas, and HOn30 allows you to fit a huge amount in a small space. Another favourite of mine that I've not really seen very much of at all, is TTn3, which uses 9mm gauge track and 3mm scale to represent true 3 foot gauge. I've thought for a while now that Walthers slightly underscale blast furnace would be "just right" at 3mm scale, and an excellent focal point for a typical 3 foot gauge steel plant railway. Judicious use of a 3D printer with some N scale mechanisms would make it a very accessible niche.
  6. Good lord mate this is a model railway forum, sounds like you've completely lost perspective. "The court of RMweb" really! How overdramatic and silly. Come on mate you're better than that. Now let's get back to helping this chap with his models, shall we? I'm sure he's heard quite enough comparisons about how the great untamed frontier of Victorian Maine was really just like the rolling hills of sheep-strewn Wales! The real crime here is that I linked to this fantastic piece of HOn30 work 3 posts ago and not a word has been said about it...
  7. Just found the reference for the use of these in the Staffordshire ironstone. Might be of some interest.
  8. Visually these remind me a lot of the Western Scraper side dump wagons that were surplus WW1 stock. There were a lot of manufacturers of this style, Fairbanks Morse, Orenstein and Koppel/Arthur Koppel, Western Scraper, and Hudson, to name just a few. I seem to recall at least one of the Staffordshire Ironstone tramways had a fleet of them.
  9. The Kennebec was also the exception and not the rule. It was built to serve a community of civil war veterans. Plenty of those around in Britain eh? Like I said, think whatever you want, the only person your ignorance robs is yourself.
  10. Not really mate... maybe a passing similarity but even the shortest of the Maine "two-footers" would've been among the longest narrow gauge railways in mainland Britain. The SR&RL was equivalent in length to driving from Big Ben to Bristol via the M4. They were proper rough and ready real railways, that people relied on for their survival, not the biscuit tin Victorian curiosities of old Blighty. Do what you want though mate! Rule number one! Slap a balloon stack and cowcatcher on Prince and call it a day if that's what suits you! The only person you rob is yourself.
  11. Yes I did already mention industrial systems which is where I feel HOn30 has its greatest potential. However one important distinction I'd make is that UK industrial tended to be much smaller in stature and length on average, being more of the temporary Simplexes and Rustons variety, while North American industrial had locos more in the 10-20 ton plus range. There was some smaller stuff of course, which in the early days was often referred to as the "baby gauge", but for the most part what they called a "small locomotive" would've by UK narrow gauge standards been considered to be on the larger side. Good case in point would be the 12 ton Plymouths at Statfold Barn, which dwarf practically everything else in the shed, if not by length at least in every other direction. One of my absolute favourites in the HOn30 industrial category is this superb layout that somewhat follows the Hayden & Frary ethos, but to my eyes pulls off a much more believable appearance.
  12. Trevor I'm very glad to see you added a door into the linhay! I was half tempted to suggest one but felt that I'd bombarded you with enough clay related suggestions as it was! It's coming along nicely and I look forward to seeing it roofed. On the subject of clay related suggestions... just a minor nitpick at the risk of running up against "rule one", and I know this advice is never the best received after the fact... but that blue paint on the windows and doors of the dry would've actually been green in the time period that you're modelling, and as a matter of fact that is the reason for the green paint on the company cottages that you faithfully replicated from photos. I've had this talk of green paint with several people on RMweb now and it's something that always catches people off guard. Despite multiple enquiries I've yet to find out why ECC so widely used green paint for such a long time, despite their "corporate" colours always being sky blue (appearing on not just the logo but also the company vehicle fleet). In spite of this, the green was absolutely everywhere and seems everyone in clay country had a pot of it in the shed! Under weathering and sunlight it faded to a sort of "seafoam" colour that I'm sure many of you have seen. Their other enduring colour was red, which was in particular applied to handrails, and this also became the Charlestown Foundry standard colour, appearing on things like pumps and hose monitors. After a period in the 60s and 70s when they started using a cream colour, ECC blue was only used on buildings for a brief period in the late 70s and early 80s, but before even a fraction of their buildings received the new colour it was replaced with more cost-efficient red oxide! It rather maddeningly ended up being the most rare colour in clay country. Oh, by the way, at some point soon I'm going to sit down and have a crack at making up a 3D CAD for the Muir Hill LH-1 loader, which in the 50s was the machine of choice for these old linhays! I'll be putting it up on shapeways when it's done, and will drop you a link to it provided that does not contravene any of RMwebs rules.
  13. Lovely work Rhys, although one suggestion if I may... looking at the prototype and your model, I believe the pub would greatly benefit from the addition of some window sills!
  14. If you're considering modelling US HOn30, one important aspect to keep in mind is that the US and Canada didn't really have the quaint little Calthrop style narrow gauge common carrier railways that we think of as "narrow gauge" in the UK, which were lucky if they went more than 10 miles in a single direction. What North America had was to all intents and purposes full blown mainline systems, often hundreds of route miles, but merely running to a narrow gauge. Almost without exception, these lines were 3' gauge or 3'6", and basically none of them survived (in gauge, at least) much past the 1890s. The most common locos on these railways were the iconic 4-4-0s, and would've looked very much "wild west" to the British observer! A large proportion of these former narrow gauge systems still exist in their now standard gauge forms, the "way" having remained in constant use since constructed. In the States, 30" was a much more common gauge in industry than it ever was as a common carrier, particularly mining, construction, and to a lesser extent logging. These systems generally performed only one function and that was the conveyance of raw materials from the extraction site to the processing site, although some did move quite a variety of freight owing to the remoteness and difficulty of the terrain. In such circumstances, one could expect to see pit prop timbers, fuel coal, bunker oil, machinery, and all manner of sundry items trundling from the nearest civilization out to the mine site (or what have you). Many small 30" gauge systems were still in regular use into the 70s before they were superseded by trucks, by then the majority of the motive power coming from just three builders: Plymouth, General Electric, and Whitcomb. A lot of these systems went almost completely unphotographed, written off as "mundane", making prototype research that much more difficult (and on the flipside, freelance that much more plausible). In terms of what's available, there's really not much unfortunately. It's a great scale-gauge for 3D printing, kitbashing, and scratchbuilding if you're so inclined, but if you feel that's a bit beyond you then you're stuck with some very limited (but still quite good) offerings. As others have pointed out, Minitrains has over the years offered some bits and pieces of questionable accuracy, with the F&C locomotive being actually quite accurate with some minor modifications. For a brief time only, Big City Hobbies sold re-tooled versions of the original Plymouth and Baldwin locomotives from the AHM days - these are good runners that sometimes pop up on the second hand market. One other RTR piece that seems often overlooked in HOn30, is the Heljan "Lyn" which is in actual fact an American locomotive, the real thing having been built in 1898 by Baldwin in Philadelphia -- Lyn was somewhat undersized and cramped by American standards, with standing in the cab requiring stooping, so with absolutely no modification apart from paint the 009 model actually fits into HOn30 perfectly! Evidence of this can be seen in this side-by-side comparison of Lyn with a very similar Baldwin built to more American proportions for an Australian narrow gauge system. Aside from that, the RT Models Grafar Class 08 steam conversion kit would provide a perfectly viable chassis base for scratchbuilding a 2-6-0 or 0-6-0, a ubiquitous type in both tender and tank form. Although it's not much, I do still think there's enough there to make HOn30 a viable niche gauge for an interesting layout or at least a cameo.
  15. Flashbacks to an emmet asking my dad for directions to the "Fowi Fairy", which it turned out is apparently Scouse for "Fowey Ferry". Once the gears had turned and the penny had dropped, "tiz over yonder" (with a pointed finger) "also eez pronounced Foy me 'ansum".
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