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great pics andy, thanks for posting them! HAAs with canopies through waverley 27007 providing a good prototype for a straight-out-of-the box model 27107 at the back of a p-p rake, with the BSO reversed (note you can see the blue-star control jumper parked on the end of the BSO, presumably the one on the loco's other side is connected - i think only one jumper was needed?) 27111 casts a cutting glance at the fancy new push-pull while she gets on with a train of mk1s - what would this service be, carlisle perhaps? (EDIT: just noticed the signal to the right - would this be a 'back' indicator for longer trains past the signal?) great stuff! not that fancy perhaps, but the bread'n'butter that was so often ignored

found these after mention in another thread tonight: number of the BG is not visible, but it has 'ScotRail' at the far lhs. with 47711 on live aid day, 13/7/85 : http://www.flickr.com/photos/blackwatch55013/5547982379/in/set-72157624171966416/ with 47716 on 15/7/85 : http://www.flickr.com/photos/blackwatch55013/5547983287/in/set-72157624171966416/

thanks flood, i thought they were - using a TSOT and possibly the ex E-G 'spare' p-p set? EDIT: found a pic i was thinking of and it's the spare p-p set + DBSO on edin-inv july 1984 - no mk 2c CK, but i think a 2d TSOT might have appeared later?

'it got too hot and fell to bits' in an unexpected fashion? maybe these are all the bits he could retrieve, although nothing seems to have actually blown up!

thanks for that david, from what i can remember (and have seen photos of) they were used on pretty much the edin-inv push-pulls

fantastic pic, look how much is going on here. the p-p set seems to missing a TSO, the other train might be an abdn-edin with the RMB, a 101 coming on/off the depot, a rake of HAAs with canopies and just the whole coal yard scene!

might be, was trying to find out cl.40 allocation at HA on the brdatabase site, but it keeps freezing on the pages. however, going by your number did a quick search (which i'll update) and found this phot of then D384 in 1968 on brushveteran's flickr http://www.flickr.co...57627818981963/ the 'blue stars' aren't right (but would change easily, i'd have thought), but it does have the off-centre round 'socket' on the no.2 end (in your photo, it looks like it's above the drawhook, but note the loco is on a curve) EDIT: i think this might nail it - round plate is there and checking the various scratches and stains would seem to confirm it (there is a larger size to view) 40 184 at darlington, 29/6/74 on Flickr by markh737 EDIT again: was in blue by 26/7/75 http://www.flickr.com/photos/barrytaxi/4763792276/

nice shot of a mk2c CK at montrose there. i think there were only 4 or so and tended to be used on edin-inv trains? presumably the 2nd class compts. only had the armrests removed/sewn up (this one still has curtains), so you would effectively get a 1st class seat!

as has been discussed before, it's sometimes quite unusual to see internal ScR passenger trains with the full headcode, quite often there would only be a '1' displayed. from photos even the push-pulls only had 1O-- or 1O00 the main ones i think were T - queen st., 1Oxx - E-G p-p, A - aberdeen, G - edinburgh, N - inverness, P - perth, L - dundee. 2Yxx were edin-glas. central. other letters like H,K,L were used in different areas (i.e. 'local' services into inverness or edinburgh, say) i think E, M, S and V were generally only used for inter-regional trains. as to the ID of the green 40, i notice it has a small round blanking plate on the nose, underneath the headcode box - a distinguishing feature perhaps? (often a sign of having been used on a royal train at some point) and it hasn't been dual-braked yet

crivvens jings and help ma boab! the only thing wrong with that post lochty, is i can only like it once! claytons, all types of rats, 47 on an early freightliner, pristine double-heading 26s, fife hygenic bedding co. - this has to be one of my top favourite posts ever. pete has excelled himself, even in respect of everything he's supplied before and thank you too lochty for posting them. notice the 4-in-a-block flats in the background - there's tons of them still around kirkcaldy and they are really canny flats, but those shown were bellfield crescent which had over the years gained a real reputation (as have other streets in kdy). the solution to a problem which wouldn't go away? bulldoze the perfectly good houses and sell the land off to development (i.e. expensive shoe-boxes) excuse the rant, but fife council seems to have a particular long-term tolerance for anti-social tenants, in that they will be moved, re-housed, left alone etc. while the honest folk who just want a quiet life are left to put up with it or move on p.s. how fast was that 05 going? hahaha

mail exclusive! the real reason behind delays on the rail network - signalmen pick the next train to leave using a lucky dip! and he's not even wearing a tie! :-)

this does make some sort of sense - you could have an immaculate, mint condition item without box and it'll be worth a certain amount. find a mint box to put it in and i suspect your expensive empty box will pay for itself as an aside, there's the other extreme of someone listing an 'item' with photos - but what the seller tried to say is they were bidding on the photos of the items, not the items themselves! don't know how it panned out tho

just remembered i took some pics a few years back in the car park of the 'railway club' - originally the down side sinclairtown yard. this stitched shot has the end of the up shed to the left and a wonderful old 'coachworks' shed. looking at the large version of the photo, the phone no. is only 4-digits long, which means it's original from at least the 60s. i don't know if the corrugated shed in the 3rd, 4th, and 5th pics dates from goods yard time at all

thanks for the confirmation on the levers dave. the diagram has been linked to before and the date noted - i'm wondering if your relay room idea has legs, as there certainly doesn't seem to be any knowledge of an actual box in the area after the kirkcaldy one.

thanks for that dave, just looked at the 1980 diagram linked to previously and the 'draw ahead' aspect is noted as applying 'towards kirkcaldy yard'. just noticed, in the photo of the class 27 posted above, there's a 2-lever ground frame in the left background. the 1980 diagram has this as a 4-lever frame, but at the time of the photo, the up goods yard had been lifted and the only line left was the former up 'loading bank' siding. looks like there's a white lever - white levers are unused i think, so would there just be the one lever to control access onto/from the siding? also, as there is rodding going along to the left, would it be a case of main point and trap point being worked from the one remaining lever? as a final question, when was kirkcaldy box abolished, with control going to edinburgh?

platform discussion as service from edinburgh waits to reverse at kirkcaldy, mid 80s

wow, those photos of the original buildings are amazing, thank you all so much for posting them. as i said before, the various photos which have appeared on RMWeb are a veritable gold mine - in years of searching t'internet, i've never been able to find anything else approaching these. here are the only pics i have - taken on the family instamatic, didn't really have much chance to be able to 'use up' film till i was older first up, aberdeen-KX HST on 5/10/83 - this is one of the 'twin' dining sets i.e. TRUK+TRSB, but with a 'loose' (no set number) power car on the front. i don't know when this became the norm rather the exception. i got on this train and hanging out the window, noticed that the TS in front had a class 253 data panel, which presumably was to do with the rearrangement of sets in 1981/82? rest of these pics, i don't have a date for them, though mid-80s probably class 101 set 324 has arrived from waverley and already has the marker lights changed for the return journey the 101 on its way back into the station. signal EK505 is the main signal on the down platform - can't quite make it out, but there is a position light signal just above the level of the nameplate - i believe it would only light its 2 white lights when a shunt move onto the loop (or perhaps on the down line past the crossover) was cleared class 47 on an up train, former bay line was located behind the white fence class 27 on a dundee train like others in this post, many of my memories remain in my head - i just wish i had a photo for those snapshots in my brain!

these new houses would seem to be right on top of the line? : http://goo.gl/maps/0LS6Z seems to be remnants of a bridge on invertiel road : http://goo.gl/maps/4d2Vi the line going through the play park and turning left just before the trees

presumably the sea wall was the first part of this project, but at some point after completion, the end of the wall collapsed and has been since! (marked on OS maps)

http://maps.nls.uk/os/25inch-2nd-and-later/view/?jp2=82881903#jp2=82881903&zoom=4&lat=6145&lon=10296&layers=BT i'd not realised it existed decades before only to be lifted, then put back, then lifted again it would make sense i suppose that even if not viable normally, it was to do with 'wartime' concerns. i don't know how 'censored' maps would have been at this time, but all that shows are old coal drifts, an old quarry and the long disused tyrie bleach works. yet the track has been laid all the way to the bleach works with a small kick-back to the drifts.

the coal merchant was the one which i presume had the house and garage on bennochy road modern google streetview here: http://goo.gl/maps/IjJ9m the house is obviously still there, although i wonder if it was just used as offices etc in later days of the merchant - i remember it having stickers in the windows for 'coalite' and such! the modern bungalow on the left is on the site of the 'garage' - had black, foldy wooden doors on the front with a name painted above to the right of the old house was a road access to the down goods yard, now a pathway to the car parks which cover the whole area. incidentally, is bennochy bridge unusual at all? in that one side is straight but the other is 'kinked'? : http://goo.gl/maps/aU03i note over the junction, 'carlyle house' offices where the factories once stood. further down (where the siding crossed the road) for many years was a car dealership showroom (morrison's BMW was the last), now the site of a care home, 'methven house' edit - while i was on google, how's this for a rather forlorn sight? http://goo.gl/maps/dozuk latterly a care home, various plans involving retaining some/none of the old building have come to naught and meantime it rots away....

brilliant pics bruce, those all blue 101s with the bouncy seats and view ahead were a staple when my mum took us to edinburgh for the day! when were the phots taken? didn't realise the bay line had lasted so long. edit - presumably mid-late 70s judging by the dominos on the 47?

fantastic pics and info everyone! some links to RCAHMS canmore archive: http://canmore.rcahm...yword=kirkcaldy (general kirkcaldy search of online items only) aerial view of station and surrounding area (bennochy road/carlyle road factories given as national linoleum or floorcloth works): http://canmore.rcahm...ages/l/1256789/ area between bennochy bridge and harbour branch http://canmore.rcahm...ages/l/1256790/ sinclairtown goods yards http://canmore.rcahm...ages/l/1257649/ coal merchant in kirkcaldy down yard http://canmore.rcahm...mages/l/595609/ link to barry's works, including station pics http://canmore.rcahm...linoleum works/ re: the invertiel junction, the formation of the line to auchtertool is still very visible on the quarry road out of kirkcaldy as is the divergence from that line of the branch which came back towards the coast, under the main road and leading to the area of the large (partially collapsed) sea wall at seafield. might have been a line to the bleach works, i'd have to check some old maps

that is fantastic graham, thank you so much for going to the effort of posting it! it's linked to in the harbour branch thread , but the 1980 resignalled diagram is here at s-r-s.org.uk incedentally, i was meaning to start this thread myself, but as is the way have not had the time to do so, so thanks again graham for kicking it off. there doesn't seem to be an awful lot of info/pics out there of KDY - i've seen more on here than there was available on the interweb generally, mostly thanks to lochty no more's posts (particulary with pete westwood's pics) i'll be adding any pics/links i have when i get the chance, so bear with me. as to anyone modelling kirkcaldy, i've a feeling there was someone planning it on the old RMWeb - the north end of the station and yard were known about, but there were questions about the south end - so much more info is available now than there was even a couple of years ago. anyway, to be going on with, here's a pic i found by accident, a nice shot of the up side goods sheds: B1 61243 at kirkcaldy, 31st. july 1960 on Flickr by Gerald T. Robinson 474 in the gap between the sheds, a line used to run through (across bennochy road) to the linoleum works beyond - i think all works in this area became part of barry, ostlere & shepherd.