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  1. Hello Rich I don't think I can be of much help here. Without the relevant books and amends, we are flying blind. This does, however, give you carte blanche to make it up as you go along. I can't say what happened at your time period, but Swindon Works ran a number of staff holiday trains. In 1956, No.1 Special was Swindon-St Ives, although the Brake Second, 7 Seconds and Brake Second came up as ECS from Tavistock Junction, passing Brent at 12.12pm. The train departed Swindon at 9.55pm, attached assisting loco at Newton Abbot, then detaching AE at Brent between 1.36am and 1.40am. St Ives arrival was 4.55am. Brian
  2. (Almost) Final Call for Votes - GWR 00 Rolling Stock Mini-Poll No.11: Dining Cars Hello everyone A reminder that your 'Polling Station' closes at midnight on Monday 30 August. If you haven't already voted, please scroll back to page 1688 towards the bottom where you will find my posting of last Tuesday with full voting details. It is too much to repeat here! Brian
  3. Hello Miss Prism Results and Comments Received PDFs attached. Brian GWR Mini-Poll No.6 Freight Results.pdf GWR Mini-Poll No.6 Freight Comments Received.pdf
  4. Hello everyone The latest Rapido Newsletter has a piece looking for Open Wagon suggestions. I will send them our Wagon Mini-Poll Case Notes, Results and Comments Received. Brian https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0?ui=2&ik=d15cd149b6&view=lg&permmsgid=msg-f%3A1709244290655480351&ser=1
  5. Hello everyone Many congratulations to Accurascale on this one! In what were the Annual Wishlist Polls, the stock had been High Polling since 2013 and was in The Top 50 in 2019. We wish them every success with the project. Brian (on behalf of The 00 Poll Team)
  6. Hello everyone A question that maybe Mike Stationmaster can answer... In relation to GWR catering car workings, any idea what the term 'Debris disposal' means? Brian
  7. Hello Phil The 12.05pm Empty Diners certainly ran from at least summer 1938. I have a Summer 1929 programme, but it's not mentioned there. Brian
  8. Hello Rich The Summer 1948 carriage book shows that five coach formation (which is not the same as the same five coach set) going down on the 9.30am Paddington-Perranporth (with other stock to Newquay). We would need the local area book to see if they worked to Kingsbridge or not. Brian
  9. Hello Rich I think you may have in mind what was - certainly in the mid-50s if not sooner - the 3.50am Plymouth-Old Oak Common Empty Stock train. I have never heard of a 'matching' Up Empty Diners (against the 12.05pm Friday Down train) A note against the Summer 1956 3.45pm Parcels Penzance-Paddington said that a Twin Diner and BCK was booked SO Plymouth-Taunton to work 3.52pm Sunday Taunton-Paddington. Those coaches went down on the rear of the 11.05amSO Paddington-Penzance, detached Plymouth. The 'twin diner' was noted as Kitchen First and Second Dining Saloon (Mk1 according to the carriage workings book!) Brian
  10. Hello everyone I'm detecting some potential for me to mis-understand some entries... Can I please ask you to vote clearly as the hypothetical sample below? It will make my life a lot easier and make the results more accurate. Thanks Brian Sample only: I am voting for items 1, 3 and 6. 8-wheel preference is: No.2 12-wheel preference is : None My suggestions for items not listed are: Diag.H69 and Diag.H96 My reasons for the above are (xxxxxxxx)
  11. Hello John Could I have a diagram number please? Just to be certain that I am logging the one you want. Brian
  12. Hello John Hornby makes 12-wheel Pullman Cars and I don't think I have heard of any running problems with those. Is there any reason to suspect GWR 12-wheelers would present a problem? We didn't list H41 mainly because there were only two of them, but they did run in the Bristolian and various reliefs and excursions. And one is preserved in lovely condition. Brian
  13. Hello everyone My own feeling is that ‘the time is right’ for a GWR Dining Car… The SR has comparatively recently had the Maunsell RF and, soon to come, the Restaurant Composite – although the latter is totally inappropriate, as the two didn’t run together (as far as we know)! A Diag.2659 Kitchen Buffet Car is needed! The LMS has the old Airfix Period II 12-wheeler and now a Kitchen Car, with suitable open stock for dining, as part of the Coronation Scot train. The LNER has comparatively recently had the Gresley Buffet Car and there is the GER car soon to emanate from the Titfield Thunderbolt range. BR has a number of catering types in model form as well as the various Pullmans. The leaves the poor old GWR with the Hornby Diag.H33 of 1978 vintage, with all its idiosyncrasies. The model is basically in ‘original condition’ but John tells me: The underframe truss is too short. The dynamo and gas cylinders are missing – it should have four on the underframe. The window next left to the double doors in the middle should be about half the height of the other similar ones. Some makers have shown a willingness to make several sets of tools to cover a suite of possibilities – and any GWR Dining Car will need that flexibility. I am voting for all six as I would genuinely buy probably one Lined Maroon and two BR Chocolate & Cream of any of them. Red & Cream is just too early for me with these. As they give me a lot of flexibility of use, my preferences are: Diag.H38 for the 8-wheel types Diag.H57 for the 12-wheel types By way of Suggestion (at 9), I would certainly buy a new-tooled Diag.H33 Compo Diner but probably only two and those would need to be Maroon. Don’t forget that this diagram didn’t run in BR Chocolate & Cream – perhaps that’s why Hornby haven’t gone for them? Brian
  14. GWR 00 Rolling Stock Mini-Poll No.11: Dining Cars Hello everyone Welcome to the eleventh in our series of GWR 00 Rolling Stock Mini-Polls. I am running them here with my friends, John Lewis, Chris Knowles-Thomas and Ian Taylor on Rob’s behalf. We also extend a warm welcome to Mike Wiltshire (aka Coach bogie) to the team for this Dining Car Mini-Poll only. We have discounted many of the GWR Dining Cars as being too long for many, too few vehicles in some cases or having a complicated structural history. Some may be surprised that we have omitted the Hornby Diag.H33 Compo Diner. We have instead listed Diag.H25 – it has the same design body sides as the H33 and is, in effect, a flat end version of it. Crucially, the H25 ran in BR Chocolate & Cream whereas H33 never did. The Hornby Dublo Restaurant Car of 1957 was clearly based on the H25 design. We have given you six suggestions with bullet point notes, as we did with the ‘Toplights'. We feel this will give a more ‘rounded result’ with everyone ‘singing from the same sheet’. In order to generate some debate – and some ‘learning opportunities’ – please feel free to explain why you have chosen your selections. I copy all ‘Comments Received’ in order of receipt – but with names removed – and post them as a PDF with the Results. Please note that we do not welcome comments that act as an excuse to start up the old chestnut of ‘kits vs RTR’! Here’s what to do… 1. You may vote for any or all of the items plus your preferences at 7 and/or 8 plus suggestions at 9 (if you so wish). 2. They must be items you would realistically wish to buy if made RTR at ‘affordable prices’. 3. Submit your entries on this thread simply as (for example): 1, 3 & 6 – with comments and explanations following. My posting which follows should serve as an example. 4. If you vote by PM, please only list your selection of numbers without explanations. 1 Diag.H16 Unclassed Diner 57ft x 9ft. Six vehicles. Nos.9546 to 9551. ‘Toplight’ series. Kitchen at one end. Lifespan: 1908-1955/60. As built, they looked rather like ordinary compartment stock. Each seating bay had a droplight and a pair of quarterlights. Originally had 9ft American bogies under the kitchen end and 8ft ones under the other, the latter quickly changed to 9ft American in 1909, then 9ft ‘heavy’ bogies in the mid-1920s. Had flat bars trussing, as did the early ‘Toplights’. In effect, a Bars 1 ‘Toplight’…without toplights! 1938 GWR document shows No.9540 Minehead-Paddington; No.9547 Kingswear-Wolverhampton; No.9548 Minehead-Paddington; No.9550 Ilfracombe-Paddington. In 1938/9, they were all given effectively new steel panelled sides with large windows, making them now look more ‘restaurant’ than ‘passenger’. They spent WWII as Kitchen Cars in Ambulance trains. After returning to ordinary service, they were all fitted with Pullman gangway adaptors (but maybe not to No.9549). No.9551 didn’t get them until November 1957! No.9550 was known to have run in Chocolate & Cream – and was possibly in The Cambrian Coast Express c.1957. No.9551 was photographed by RC Riley in Lined Maroon in November 1957. Link: https://rcts.zenfolio.com/coaching-stock/gwr/other/hA86FB99A#ha86fb99a 2 Diag.H25 Compo Diner 57ft x 8ft 6in. Six vehicles. Nos.9562-9567. Flat ended. Kitchen in centre. Lifespan: 1923/24-1959/61 Narrow width means pretty much ‘go anywhere’. They were originally fitted with 9ft 'heavy' bogies, but Nos.9563/4/6 are recorded as being fitted with Collett 7ft bogies in 1928-9 (same as on Hornby Colletts). 1938 GWR document shows No.9567 booked Wolverhampton-Paignton ECS; Paignton-Newton Abbot; Newton Abbot-Exeter; Exeter-Paignton; Paignton-Birmingham. During WWII, they were formed in Casualty Evacuation and Ambulance trains. All but No.9565 had new interiors post-1945. Hampton scheme. In 1953/4, Nos.9562/4/5/7 fitted with gangway adaptors. 1957 BR document notes No.9563 in 12.05pm Friday Empty Diners Paddington-Newquay Ran in BR Chocolate & Cream, but No.9566 was noted Maroon (1957). No.9563 noted in the Cambrian Coast Express late 1957; No.9566 in The Cornishman (1958). Link: https://www.wizardmodels.ltd/shop/carriage/w29ak/ 3 Diag.H38 Compo Diner 61ft 4½in x 9ft. Ten vehicles. Nos.9601-9610. Bow ended. Kitchen at one end. Lifespan: 1931-1962. 1938 GWR document shows No.9602 Kingswear-Manchester; No.9605 Kingswear-Manchester; No.9608 Paignton-Manchester. Ran on 9ft ‘heavy’ bogies. The only outwardly discernible modifications in 1939 and 1942 were to the windows – sliding glass ventilators instead of top-opening hinged toplights. No.9608 was so modified in 1946, at which time it was also fitted with gangway adaptors. The remainder were so fitted in the 1950s. Intended for cross-country trains, but from 1957 used more on relief trains. No.9605 was acquired by the National Railway Museum. Link: https://rcts.zenfolio.com/coaching-stock/gwr/other/hA86FA6E0#ha86fa6e0 4 Diags.H39 & H40 2-car Set (Kitchen First & Diner Third) 61ft 4½in x 9ft 3in. Ten sets (up to 1953). Nos.9611-9630. Kitchen one end of First. Lifespan: 1931-1962. Shallow sliding ventilators fitted before 1939 (except Nos.9614/9/24/9). Modified internally under the Hampton scheme from 1949. Ran on 9ft ‘heavy’ bogies. All fitted later with gangway adaptors. Nos.9611-13 converted to Diag.H59 Buffet Cars from September 1953. Ran in BR Chocolate & Cream from summer 1956 although a 1959 photo shows a set running as Maroon Kitchen First with Red & Cream Diner (9.20amSO St Ives-Paddington). In 1959, for example, used in the Cornish Riviera Express (to Penzance M-F, St Ives SO), 11.00amSO and 11.05amSO Paddington-Penzance (the latter as far as Plymouth). Nos.9615 & 9627 preserved on the SVR. Production of these cars might help pave the way for the ‘matching’ 1929 Cornish Riviera stock. Link: http://www.gw-svr-a.org.uk/images/9615_600px.jpg Link: https://www.svrwiki.com/GWR_9627_Restaurant_Third#/media/File:GWR_9627_20210423.jpg 5 Diag.H55 Buffet Car 12-wheel 60ft 11¼ x 8ft 11in. Five vehicles. Nos.9676-9680. Buffet etc one end. Lifespan: 1938-1962/5. 6-wheel bogies always give any vehicle a ‘distinctive and important look’. These cars could run off the GWR system to the north. 1938 GWR document shows No.9680 Kingswear-Paddington. They were not altered in the Hampton scheme. All later fitted with gangway adaptors. Nos.9677 and 9678 were painted BR Chocolate & Cream in 1956. One of this diagram was in the Bristolian from 1954 to 1961; that was No.9677 from 1956 in Chocolate & Cream. Link: https://rcts.zenfolio.com/coaching-stock/gwr/other/hA87064D7#ha87064d7 6 Diag.H57 Compo Diner 12-wheel 60ft 11¼in x 8ft 11in. Five vehicles. Nos.9671-9675. Kitchen in centre. Lifespan: 1938-1962. 6-wheel bogies always give any vehicle a ‘distinctive and important look’. These cars could run off the GWR system to the north. No.9672 was the first of the Hampton refurbished vehicles into service (1946). No.9673 was used by Generals Montgomery and Eisenhower as a mobile headquarters in the Alive train February 1943 to November 1946. All fitted with gangway adaptors, 1953/4. Nos.9672 and 9673 were painted BR Chocolate & Cream. One of the two noted in The Royal Duchy (1957); No.9671 noted in The Devonian (1958); No.9672 was in The Cornishman (1957); and both noted in the Cambrian Coast Express (late 1957). Used on top link duties until 1960; relief work until 1962. Link: https://rcts.zenfolio.com/coaching-stock/gwr/other/hA87062BD#ha87062bd 7 If a company offered to make just one of the 8-wheel types, which would be your preference? 8 If a company offered to make just one of the 12-wheel types, which would be your preference? 9 Your suggestions for GWR Dining Cars not listed. If you want a new-tooled version of the Hornby Diag.H33 Compo Diner, please log it here, but remember that that diagram never ran in BR Chocolate & Cream. Please give reasons for your suggestions. Get your thinking caps on and get voting! I will acknowledge receipt of your vote via the ‘Thx’ tick box. You have until midnight on Monday 30 August. However, I will stop earlier and advise if votes reach 50. I will present the results during the day on Tuesday 31 August. They will be sent to: Accurascale, Bachmann, Dapol, Hornby and Sonic. I look forward to your selections and comments! I have attached a PDF version of the above if is easier for you to download and observe at your leisure. Brian (Note: These are ‘informal Polls for fun’ on Rob’s thread only and neither RMweb nor The 00 Wishlist Poll Team are specifically involved, apart from me, John, Chris and Ian in our ‘personal capacities’.) GWR Mini-Poll No.11 Dining Cars.pdf
  15. Hello Rob Lovely model! You will all have to wait until tomorrow to see if Diag.H57 is on the list! Brian
  16. Advance Notice - GWR 00 Rolling Stock Mini-Poll No.11: Dining Cars As the next Mini-Poll has a lot of content - although only a small number of items to vote upon - I have agreed with Rob that we will start tomorrow (Tuesday 24 August) and run until the later cut-off time of midnight on the later cut-off date of Monday 30 August. Hopefully, this might give anyone returning from holiday on Bank Holiday Monday a little more time to join in. Results are expected on Tuesday 31 August. Get ready for a sumptuous six-course dining feast, covered in chocolate & cream! Brian
  17. Hello Mike (and others who commented on the same theme) In conversations with Simon Kohler, we have often discussed that 'people like us' (on this thread) are much fewer in number than those who simply 'like model trains'. Back in the 'good old days' of the original MREmag, I had a very good friend in Australia. We came from polar opposites of our modelling philosophies but fully understood each other's rationale. As you know, I run my model railway very much towards '1950s/1960s prototype'. He was more interested in the aesthetics of models (trains that is!) and happily ran an LMS livery Patriot hauling Mk3 coaches with probably a couple of disparate vans attached - all under OHLE! Brian
  18. Results – GWR 00 Rolling Stock Mini-Poll No.10: Gangwayed Stock (exc Sleepers & Catering) Hello everyone Many thanks to the 35 voters who took part. The number of votes to each item is shown in the left hand column and Comments Received are appended on a PDF as usual. Probably the most comments we have ever had! Please note that the results reflect the views of those who voted here and may not necessarily reflect those of the wider modelling community. High Polling 26 Collett 60ft 11¼in (9ft wide) ‘Large Window’/‘Sunshine’ Coaches (1936-1943) 19 Collett 61ft 4½in (9ft & 9ft 3in wide) Bow Ended General Service Coaches (1930-1933) 19 Collett 60ft (9ft wide) Excursion Coaches (1935) Middle Polling 14 Dean Gangwayed Clerestory Coaches (1892-1904) 12 Collett 61ft 4½in (9ft 5¾in wide) Cornish Riviera etc Coaches (1929-1930) 12 Collett 61ft 4½in (9ft 7in wide) ‘Centenary’ Coaches (1935) Low Polling 8 Churchward 70ft Coaches ‘Concertina’ (1906-1907) 8 Churchward 70ft Coaches ‘Toplight’ (1908-1922) 8 Collett 61ft 4½in (9ft 7in wide) ‘Super Saloons’ (1931) 7 Churchward 70ft Coaches ‘Dreadnought’ (1904-1905) 7 Collett 70ft Coaches ‘South Wales’ (1923-1924) Your suggestions of any Gangwayed Stock not listed. 3 Flat ended 57ft stock of 1933-35. We will be back on Wednesday 25 August – or possibly slightly sooner – with Mini-Poll No.11: GWR Dining Cars. It will be biggest we have run for so few items! Expect some lively debates! Brian (Note: These are ‘informal Polls for fun’ on Rob’s thread only and neither RMweb nor The 00 Wishlist Poll Team are specifically involved, apart from me, John, Chris and Ian in our ‘personal capacities’.) GWR Mini-Poll No.10 Gangwayed Stock Comments Received.pdf
  19. GWR 00 Rolling Stock Mini-Poll No.10: Gangwayed Stock (exc Sleepers & Catering) Hello everyone A reminder that your ‘Polling Station’ closes at 17.00 today with Results expected tomorrow. If you haven’t already voted, here’s what to do… 1. You may vote for any or all of the items listed plus suggestions at 12 (if you so wish). 2, They must be items you would realistically wish to buy if made RTR at ‘affordable prices’. 3. Submit your entries on this thread simply as (for example): 2, 4, 7 – with comments and explanations following. 4, If you vote by PM, please only list your selection of numbers without explanations. Clerestory 1 Dean Gangwayed Clerestory Coaches (1892-1904) 70ft Long Coaches 2 Churchward 70ft Coaches ‘Dreadnought’ (1904-1905) 3 Churchward 70ft Coaches ‘Concertina’ (1906-1907) 4 Churchward 70ft Coaches ‘Toplight’ (1908-1922) 5 Collett 70ft Coaches ‘South Wales’ (1923-1924) 9ft 5¾in & 9ft 7in ‘Wide’ Stock 6 Collett 61ft 4½in (9ft 5¾in wide) Cornish Riviera etc Coaches (1929-1930) 7 Collett 61ft 4½in (9ft 7in wide) ‘Super Saloons’ (1931) 8 Collett 61ft 4½in (9ft 7in wide) ‘Centenary’ Coaches (1935) 9ft & 9ft 3in Stock 9 Collett 61ft 4½in (9ft & 9ft 3in wide) Bow Ended General Service Coaches (1930-1933) 10 Collett 60ft (9ft wide) Excursion Coaches (1935) 11 Collett 60ft 11¼in (9ft wide) ‘Large Window’/‘Sunshine’ Coaches (1936-1943) 12 Your suggestions for Gangwayed Stock not listed. Please do not suggest any of the shorter ‘Toplights’, Sleepers or Catering stock. Other ‘Toplights’ have been dealt with; Sleepers and Catering are in future Mini-Polls. Brian (Note: These are ‘informal Polls for fun’ on Rob’s thread only and neither RMweb nor The 00 Wishlist Poll Team are specifically involved, apart from me, John, Chris and Ian in our ‘personal capacities’.)
  20. Thanks mdvle I will ensure Sonic receive the PDFs of the Case Notes, Results and Comments Received relating to the Dining Car Mini-Poll which will be starting on Wednesday 25 August (or maybe a day earlier due to the content - it will be engrossing! ). The same three PDFs relating to 'Toplights' went to Accurascale, Bachmann, Dapol and Hornby. All four kindly replied and thanked us all. I have only just received the final reply (the person was on holiday) otherwise I would have reported back earlier. Brian
  21. Hello John Fully agree with that view...and that's partly what we were trying to achieve with the 00 Poll listings and their relevant Guide entries. I have attached a PDF of an extract from the 2019 Results in respect of the Stanier types (for those who might be interested in non-GWR matters). Brian LMS Coaches Extract from Results - 00 Wishlist Poll 2019.pdf
  22. Hello John The Hornby Gresleys appeared way back in 2004 and the Staniers in 2005. Techniques, the market and the quantity of makers have all gone up in complexity etc since then. (Don't anyone mention prices please as it won't help us here!) As noted, we have since had 'Portholes' and Coronation Scot as 'a range' as well as we are now seeing coaches with sides etc tooled separately for appropriate time-frames. I feel we have hope for complete sets (within commercial reason). Brian
  23. Thanks Trevor That's not something any of us in the Mini-Poll Team can answer as none of us is a 'model engineer'. Leave the question with me and I'll see if I can get a reply. Brian
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