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Hello everyone As previewed by Rob a few days ago, I am pleased to say that, with the help of my friends John Lewis, Chris Knowles-Thomas and Ian Taylor, we will be running some GWR 00 Rolling Stock Mini-Polls for you over the coming weeks, starting tomorrow...but with the caveat that we need a reasonable 'turn out' to make them viable. Many of you will know John as a GWR author. We are all members of The 00 Wishlist Poll Team, but we emphasise that we are acting here in our own 'personal capacities' albeit with the 'approval' of the full Team. Some of you will also be aware that I am running similar Mini-Polls on Gilbert Barnatt's Peterborough North thread. The aim of the Mini-Polls is primarily to have some fun looking at a wide range of models that you would realistically wish to buy if made RTR. A spin-off from that is that the comments and debate will provide some 'educational value'. Learning from my experience in running The 00 Wishlist Poll as well as the Peterborough Mini-Polls is that voters sometimes take matters a tad too seriously and I get postings saying (such as): Does this include Variant A, with Buffers B, in Livery C, with Wheels D, as running in years E-F? The answer is that you may assume so! It is impossible for us to list every incarnation! We run under the mantra: If it looks like a Cattle Wagon, it probably is a Cattle Wagon. OK...tune in tomorrow for some Siphons! Brian

Thanks John Indeed, I do have that book! I guess I'm just like you...we have a question, we research the question, we get an answer, but that answer produces two more questions!! The subject is simply exponential in nature! I well remember once when running the 'old main Poll' that someone wrote to us in an extremely irate manner castigating The Team for not listing Wagon A with Buffers B, Wheels C, in Livery D, as running in years E-F. Our Mini-Polls are simply for fun (and 'education'). The mantra still applies: If it looks like a Cattle Wagon, it probably is a Cattle Wagon. Brian

Hello manna Did you wish to have the additional 'focused choices'? There is no obligation, but thought I'd better mention it. Brian

Thanks Lloyd. Did you still wish to have Item 1 as your 'focused choice'? Brian

Hello Steve I have ticked the 'Thx' box but - if it were possible - I would have ticked the 'craftmanship/clever' box as well! Brian

Hello D9020 Nimbus The Class 120 has been the top-voted DMU in The 00 Wishlist Polls since 2013 (exc 2017 when The Poll was 'on holiday'). In all those years, it was also in The Top 50 and in 2019 (our last 'full' Poll) it was equal 9th overall. Brian (on behalf of The 00 Poll Team)

Hello again drmditch Just to add a little to the 'smorgasbord' posting above... Page 28 of Don Rowland's book shows a photo of a Diag.1/034 wagon. The caption contains the following: On the nearside buffer at the right-hand end can be seen one of the 2.1/2" collars which were welded to the buffer shanks to give the 1ft 8.1/2" necessary with screw couplings on such conversions. Many previously unfitted wagons were dealt with in this way. Nothing's easy with railways, is it? However, this is part of the 'unwritten purpose' of these Mini-Polls in that we hope the debates and comments will increase our overall understanding. Brian

Hello drmditch As noted in the introductions: It is often impossible to be ‘deadly precise’ with a 1-line descriptor, so we take the view that ‘if it looks like a 5-plank Open, it probably is a 5-plank Open’. Recent past experience is showing that makers are ‘tooling up’ to make as many variants as they can for any new model. If you look at the table of High Goods Wagons on page 29 of the Don Rowland book, you will find a smorgasbord of: * 21 Diagrams with a combination of * Planked ends * Steel ends * Corrugated steel ends * Curb rail fitted or not * Shock absorbing or not * Sheet support or not * Full drop sides * Soda Ash version * Fitted or unfitted * AVB * AVB and Morton * Hand brake Morton * Double lever independent hand brake And that probably doesn't account for buffers, wheels, liveries etc. But to answer your question of does it cover fitted and unfitted...yes it does. Brian

Hello everyone Here are my choices: 1 to 12 inclusive! However, there are some caveats… Although I have voted for all the 9ft wheelbase wagons, the only one I would buy multiples of would be the SNCF type. As noted in my introduction, they are very useful in both Open and Mineral form. I have also voted for all the 10ft types, but would only buy multiples of the SR 5-plank and the SR 8-plank. I like them – particularly the latter, being ‘a little bit different’ – and they will be useful on my layout when in Exeter Central mode. As far as the ‘other wagons’ are concerned, I would have one of each, just for the variation. However, I might be convinced to buy (slightly) more of the BR 13-ton Coal Hopper if someone can show me photos of any in the 1950s or 1960 anywhere south of say Rugby or Peterborough. Unless I’m looking in the wrong books, they seem very camera shy. My ‘focused choices’ are: Item 4: BR 9ft wb Open/Mineral Wagon – SNCF type Item 8: SR 10ft wb 8-plank Open Wagon Brian

00 Rolling Stock Mini-Poll No.5 REVISED: More 4-wheel Wagons plus Opens Hello everyone Welcome to this revised version of the fifth in our series of seven Mini-Polls concerning rolling stock that has at least some connection with Peterborough North. (The original posted this morning has been deleted!) I am running them on behalf of Gilbert. I’m sorry to say that Dunsignalling, Mallard, FarrMan and 3rd Rail Exile need to re-vote if they so wish. Responding to earlier discussions, you now have a number of ‘Opens’ to choose from, split up as 9ft and 10ft wheelbase. Although the SNCF type was technically a Mineral Wagon, they were often used as Opens. There are no doubt hundreds of different ‘Open’ vehicles that would have been seen at Peterborough North over the years, but our Mini-Polls can only capture a small number. It is often impossible to be ‘deadly precise’ with a 1-line descriptor, so we take the view that ‘if it looks like a 5-plank Open, it probably is a 5-plank Open’. Recent past experience is showing that makers are ‘tooling up’ to make as many variants as they can for any new model. You can submit your wishes here, on the thread, as usual, or PM me direct if you prefer the ‘secret ballot’ method. If you vote on the thread, please feel free to explain why you have chosen your selection – hopefully, that will promote some interesting debates – but please do not take it as an excuse to start up the old chestnut of ‘kits vs RTR’! Here’s what to do… 1 You may vote for any or all of the items listed plus responses to 13 and 14 (if you wish) 2 They must be items you would realistically wish to buy if made RTR at ‘affordable prices’. 3 Submit your entries on this thread simply as (for example): 2, 4, 7, 9, 12 – with comments and explanations following. 4 If you vote by PM, please only list your selection of numbers without explanations. 9ft wheelbase Opens 1 GWR 9ft wb 5-plank Open Wagon (Diagrams between O3 & O11 from 1904) 2 LMS 9ft wb 5-plank Open Wagon (Diag.1666 of 1923) 3 SR 9ft wb 8-plank Open Wagon (Diag.1379 of 1926) 4 BR 9ft wb Open/Mineral Wagon – SNCF type, 16-ton (Diag.1/112, repatriated 1950) 10ft wheelbase Opens 5 GWR 10ft wb 5-plank Open Wagon (Diag.O31 etc from 1932) 6 LMS 10ft wb 5-plank Open Wagon (Diags.1892 & 2110 of 1934 & 1946) 7 SR 10ft wb 5-plank Open Wagon (Diag.1375 of 1940) 8 SR 10ft wb 8-plank Open Wagon (Diag.1400 of 1936) 9 BR 10ft wb 5-plank Open Wagon (GWR Diag.O31, from 1932 with 21 various BR diagrams) 10 LNER 10ft wb 6-plank Open Wagon (from c.1932) Other Wagons 11 BR Hopper Wagon – Coal 13-ton (Diag.1/142 of 1949 on) 12 BR Pallet Van – Palvan (Diag.1/211 of 1952) A Focused Choice! 13 If there was only enough plastic in the world to make just one of the 9ft wheelbase wagons, which one would you choose? 1, 2, 3 or 4? 14 If there was only enough plastic in the world to make just one of the 10ft wheelbase wagons, which one would you choose? 5, 6, 7, 8 or 9? Get your thinking caps on and get voting! I will acknowledge receipt of your vote via the ‘Thx’ tick box. You have until 17.00 on Thursday 17 June. However, I will stop earlier and advise if votes reach 50. I will present the results during the day on Friday 18 June. I look forward to your selections and comments! Brian (Note: These are ‘informal Polls for fun’ on Gilbert’s thread only and neither The 00 Wishlist Poll Team nor RMweb are specifically involved, apart from me in my ‘personal capacity’.)

Hello everyone In the light of the LNER 10ft wb 6-plank emerging, I am aborting Mini-Poll No.5 and will post a revised version later today. My earlier posts are about to be deleted. Brian

Hello again Clive Just looked through the Peter Tatlow book of LNER Wagons... Pages 21 & 22, 6-plank 10ft wheelbase! Doh! Brian

Hello Clive The subject is a complex one...and that is why I have noted twice now in the introductions that we have to take the broad brush view that if it looks like a 5-plank Open, it probably is a 5-plank Open. I was quoting from the Don Rowland wagon book (viz): Diagram 1/032 covered 50 fully-fitted wagons built at Swindon to Lot 2082. They seem to be the same as GWR Diag.O42 and were probably a Great Western Order taken over by British Railways. See page 29 of that book for table of all the variations of BR High Goods. I have appended an extract from The 00 Wishlist Poll 2019 Guide below. Brian Extract from Guide to The 00 Wishlist Poll 2019. GWR Open Wagons – 17ft 6in, 10ft Wheelbase (Diags.O31 etc, 1932-BR days) Wheelbase was increased on the 17ft 6in wagons from 9ft to 10ft from 1932 (Diag.O31). The most numerous was Diag.O32 of 1933-40. These were 5-planks with one wider but now it was second from the bottom. But, from 1939, Diag.O37 wagons usually had five equal width planks with a sixth narrow one between the second and third from the bottom. BR continued with construction of late Diags.O39/40/42.

All fine John...I thought I'd better query as you noted: Whatever ones prototype preferences, you can't have too many LMS 5-planks! Brian

Hello John A query on focused choices...did you mean Item 2 LMS 9ft wb 5-plank? Brian

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Hello Gilbert & everyone Following on from Gilbert's suggestion of running some Mini-Polls concerning locos that have some relevance to Peterborough North, I am pleased to say that Chris Knowles-Thomas and I have created three such polls for you. If Gilbert gives 'the green light', they will run on from the rolling stock polls as: No.9: Freight Locos (predominantly) No.10: Passenger Locos (predominantly) - Tank No.11: Passenger Locos (predominantly) - Tender Note that I say 'predominantly' - some in each will be mixed traffic but it would add too much complexity to split them up into 'exact categories'. And - let's face it - there are many occasions where freight locos worked passenger and vice versa. Brian

Hello everyone Just an ‘appetiser’ for tomorrow’s Mini-Poll... Nine of the 12 items are Opens. In a small addition to our usual ‘vote for any or all’ format, you will find items 13 and 14. These will be ‘focused choice’ selections for which you will need your thinking caps on! I hope you will find it challenging and interesting. If it goes according to plan – famous last words! – it will add a ‘focused dimension’ to the results. Brian

Hello Andy I forgot to say that the current Mini-Polls have items that do have (or might have had) some connection with Peterborough North. But that's not to say that future possibilities can't explore wider territory. Brian PS: PM sent just now

Hello Andy That would require an OK from Gilbert. If it was agreed, I have to say that the subject is not my area of knowledge and it would be up to others to provide me with 'the raw data' from which I could construct a Mini-Poll in context with the others. Brian

Hello Gilbert I'm certainly happy to do that. Give me a few days to look at what options we have. There are many ways 'to slice cakes' and I try to keep our 'maximum loads' to about 10 or 12 items. Brian

Hello everyone I have been looking at the content of our forthcoming Mini-Polls and - unless Gilbert says 'no' - I will revamp them with one extra. The plan will then be as below from Monday... No.5: More 4-wheel Wagons & Opens (as previewed but now includes more Opens following discussions) No.6: Container Wagons & Containers (new entry following suggestion from Chris) No.7: Bogie Freight Stock (as previewed) No.8: Departmental Stock (as previewed) Brian

Many thanks for the kind comments, Chris - appreciated. Notice I said 'Containers'...not 'Container Wagons'. There will, however, be one actual Container Wagon in Mini-Poll No.6. It has been 'shunted out' of No.5 as your Yardmaster has had to re-marshal all vehicles due to a sudden influx of Open Wagons! Brian

Results - 00 Rolling Stock Mini-Poll No.4: Freight Stock – 4-wheel (Pre-1951) Hello everyone Many thanks to the 15 voters who took part. The Comments Received are appended on a PDF as usual. High Polling 11 Goods Van 12-ton, Sliding Doors, Vertical Plank Sides, Horizontal Plank Ends, Small Shutters (Diags.14-17) 9 Goods Van 12-ton, Sliding Doors, Plywood (Diags.172, 176, 195 of 1943-1948) 8 Cattle Wagon, 10ft wheelbase (1920s) 8 Single Bolster Wagon (inc BR Diags.1/400, 1/401, 1/402 & 1/405 of 1949 on) Middle Polling 7 Fish Van 10-ton, 12ft wheelbase, as built (Diag.134 of 1938) 7 Fish Van 10-ton, 12ft wheelbase, as rebuilt, Recessed Doors, Painted White (Originally Diag.134 of 1938) 6 Banana Vans (there are too many to list individually) 5 RCH Coal Wagon 5-, 6-, 7- & 8-plank (1887-1907) Low Polling 4 Tube Wagon Unfitted, 30ft 6ins & 32ft 0in (BR Diags.1/447 & 1/448 of 1951 and 1954) 2 Bulk Grain Hopper Wagon 22½-ton (Diag.73 of late 1930s) 2 Low Machinery Wagon, Lowmac 4-wheel, 21-ton (inc BR Diags.2/240 etc of 1949/51) 2 Low Machinery Wagon, Flatrol 4-wheel, 20-ton (inc BR Diag.2/512 of 1949) The results seem to make some logical sense…broadly speaking: · The High Pollers are more likely to be ‘go anywhere/generally useful’ types; · The Fish and Bananas in the Middle are perhaps more appealing to ‘main line modellers’; and · The more ‘specialised’ ones fall into the Low Polling. We will be back on Monday with 00 Rolling Stock Mini-Poll No.5: More 4-wheel Wagons plus Some Containers. This is a change to the previewed title in order to reflect our discussion about Open Wagons. You will find a couple of ‘coal types’ there too, so it will be interesting so see if they poll higher than the RCH types above. Interestingly, we have seen very few new tool steam era wagons recently, but post-1964 types seem to be coming to market at a rate of knots! Brian Mini-Poll No.4 Comments Received.pdf