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  1. On 01/08/2020 at 16:06, Joseph_Pestell said:

    A couple in Booker this morning with full-on nuclear incident type masks. A bit apocalyptic.


    If they are at that much risk from contracting Covid, how are they operating their business?


    Saw one youth before full lockdown started. He's dressed all in black wearing a small ruck sack with full medical style face mask and a pair of safety goggles.

    Couldn't make up my mind if he looked more like a teenage mutant ninja turtle or a minion!

  2. 5 hours ago, The Johnster said:

    I keep running across an eBay 'Iron Duke'; a Triang Britannia with the smoke deflectors missing and the Walchearts valve gear removed, for £50 or so.  The nameplates are clearly sticky back paper, and the model is described as scale.  This has been going on for about 3 or 4 years; it disappears for a while and then comes back for another go; I'll post it here next time I see it!


    There's quite a few of them about, originally done as a special for a catalogue firm train set I believe.

  3. 7 hours ago, Clive Mortimore said:

    No, I think it has a tight spot making that noise but I cannot find where.


    I think the moral of this is don't buy a kit loco off the interwebthingy.........sadly I have three more on their way , I won a bid on Vectis Auctions a few days before trying to do some thing with the B16. I have a Caprotti Standard Five, a Clan and I think a D20 (they make some very strange lots) to sort out soon. I do hope the Caprotti is working fairly well. I am going to keep the Clan despite it not being a class of loco that would be seen in Sheffield but the bright green D20 will be hopefully found its forever home.


    A Clan did pass through Sheffield Midland, there's a well documented accidental tour by Clan McGregor (72005) where, if I remember correctly, it got as far south as Bristol. 

    Presumably arriving somewhere then being borrowed for another working.

    I was spotting at Derby on the day it worked back towards the north, as it ran into the station from under the London Road bridge it was obviously something unusual to the area!

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  4. 8 hours ago, Clive Mortimore said:

    The last two night I have been wrestling a B16/2 to get it to run. After sorting out many issues, some of my own making it now runs reasonably. It runs very well backwards. :good:


    It was sold as a DJH kit but I think it is a Nu Cast kit having looked at other peoples models of Nu Cast and DJH B16s. :rtfm: Now I have mucked about with it I cannot send it back. :blush:


    It could be DJH,  the B16 kit goes back a long way. I bought one on offer when the Nottingham show first moved to the Victoria leisure centre so probably late 70s. 

    If I dig it out I can check but pretty sure it was all white metal the same as Nu cast of the time who, I think, also did a B16. Difficult to imagine nowadays that we once had duplication among kits let alone RTR.


    Edit: should have read what you wrote properly, you've already checked both DJH and Nu cast! D'oh!

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  5. 29 minutes ago, jamie92208 said:

    Good evening, it's warm and dark here.   However the Tardis is still moving on slowly I've just scanned my negatives from 1996 so have plenty of material to keep going. The first is at Beamish with a shot of the station I can't remember the name but think it began with an R. I've just noticed the Sheffield Tram in the background.


    Then a trip to Ravenglass and my favourite loco River Irt with Martin and Paul in the cab. I spent many happy hours in that shed lighting up and engine cleaning. I wore clogs that I bought in Whitehaven, very comfortable and didn't mind the dirt, oil and cinders.


    Then another trip to Holgate Bridge at York with a Metro 158 heading south. This is probably May 1991.


    And then an HST in the Inter City Livery.



    Finally up to my home town, the border city, Carlisle with a 156 heading in. probably from Newcastle We've now moved on to early 1992.


    And Finally 1 31 and 47 parked against the west wall.


    More to come.





    The units approaching Carlisle are a pair of 153s, known to us as dogboxes, you can see the yellow end on the second one. Also the number on the front is legible.

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  6. 10 minutes ago, thegreenhowards said:

    Thanks for that list. I certainly cheered me up after feeling rather depressed at the list of things wrong with the C2. It certainly looks like a Klondike to my (less discerning) eyes so it will do for me. I’m going to have enough of a challenge painting it in GNR livery! I think I’ve met 4.5 of your tests and will get there on ‘2’  with a little more fettling. Sadly none of my kit built locos run as smoothly as my RTR stock but I certainly agree that I get more satisfaction from running them.


    I think it's all to easy to be dispirited by other people's standards. There are some very fine models shown on the internet nowadays, many of them on this very thread. There are also many not so great models shown that, nonetheless, the builder is proud of, but can be then totally deflated by some people's comments.

    I've nothing against constructive criticism but that can very easily be interpreted wrongly if not carefully phrased, the typed word carries nothing more than the letters used, no emotional input.

    If you say to someone's face ' that's rubbish' but with a smile it's usually taken lightly as intended, type it and it's just taken as 'rubbish' and totally demoralising.

    Over 40 or so years I've assembled many kits although my output has dwindled to virtually zero in the last few years, party due to the rise of RTR but also a lack of somewhere to run anything, the last reliable one was probably a DJH 9F over 15 years ago!

    We can now also examine models in minute detail thanks to digital cameras and the capacity to zoom in on anything, obviously subject to the limits imposed by the technology in use, therefore seeing the slightest blemish. 

    There are some models shown here that seem to be generally approved of, yet I look at the photo and see something that looks odd, whether others don't notice I know not but they don't seem to attract comments. Perhaps it's distortion as I use my phone almost exclusively now for the internet, our PC has pretty much given up the ghost and I can take my phone with me.

    What I'm trying to say, and probably waffling instead, is everyone should set their own standards that they're happy with and accept the compromises they have to make. Equally others, while offering advice and observations, should accept the original builder's standards without harsh criticism.

    Let's face it most of the models on this thread are running on narrower gauge track than the prototype, around corners that are totally unfeasible and they've got a ruddy great electric motor in the boiler! 


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  7. 17 minutes ago, Engineer said:

    I apologise for diverting this live thread from its natural flow by going back to posts yesterday on BR 5MT models.  I recognised a number on one model and I think it's worth sharing a copy of an image [watermarked] that I believe is the prototype, 73069.  The orginal image is by my father on 29th July, 1961 using his Rolleiflex 3.5F.  He was taking a few pictures in the closing era of the Metroplitan's electric locomotives and he had just enough time to form a reasonable composition.  I was there, very small and with mother, probably sitting on the platform tailwall.  Years later he made a 20" x 16" print and it was a favourite, though his hobby tended to concentrate on architecture photography.  The print is one of my most treasured items.

    1961 07 29 cal 73069 watermark.pdf 585.07 kB · 11 downloads

    Other than riding the DMUs to school, I took little note of the main line trains until recently, as an adjunct to my ongoing research on the electric locomotives, now almost at their centenary.  Though slightly unclear in the image, the apparent number is consistent with shed allocations and other GC route pictures of the time - I am happy to withdraw if there's expert opinion that's different.  I'm minded to create a 4mm diorama to replicate the scene, but only once I've completed the Met loco research and done some overdue tram modelling!


    73069 went on to become the last standard 5 in service and worked specials in the last few weeks of service

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  8. Mentioned earlier, I have looked for my MTK standard 5 but it's being rather elusive at the moment, I have stock split between the garage and small bedroom (dump!) in the house.

    While looking I remembered I'd posted a picture of it before somewhere in the MTK thread in the collectable/vintage section so hopefully I've copied the picture across.

    The proportions look a bit off but I think it looks better in the metal than the picture, anyway it was built getting on for 40 years ago.

    The big gap where the firebox should be is actually an XO4 motor, hint don't take low level photos of your toy trains!



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  9. I built an MTK class 5, didn't turn out too bad to my eyes. Picked it up from York show club sales many, many years ago. There was also a DJH kit on the sales stand, but at over twice the price, to someone unemployed at the time it was way beyond my means.

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  10. 34 minutes ago, FarrMan said:

    I agree with that from memory. It must have been about 1962 or 1963 that there was a sudden change from all steam between Grantham and Nottingham Victoria to all DMU class 114. The timetable was speeded up at the same time. When changing trains at Grantham, I only remember seeing Class 114's. Very rarely was there a different class of DMU. With our preference for steam, we always used to call DMU's 'bugcars' (two clearly separate parts - no reference to the one with a double g).




    I still have my notebook somewhere reporting that all the spotters, me included, were rounded up and put on a unit back to Nottingham one day in, from memory, 1963.

    As we left, Lord Faringdon, again very much from memory,  came hurtling through. The last time I saw an A4 working for BR.

    It seems spotters were no longer welcome on the new dieselised railway.

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  11. Thank you for the feedback both, it does seem that there's now a hole in availablity of suitable motors for large heavy models.

    At the moment the loco is little more than a stalled project, I just asked in response to John's comment wondering if he did have something particular in mind.

    It could be expected to work minimum of 20 wagon trains on a large layout with gentle inclines, although that is by no means certain and it may never work a train in anger at all.

    Regarding the Chinese motors on eBay, I've long been very wary of anything produced in China and now would only use something direct from there as an absolute last resort, if it was something I couldn't live without. Toy trains do not fit into that category.

  12. 3 hours ago, cctransuk said:


    These motors seem suited to most applications - if it'll fit, it should run OK.


    Having said that, if you want to run full length, express passenger trains at scale speeds, I'd recommend looking for something a little 'beefier'.


    Do note that these motors run slower than Mashimas - 8750 rpm at no load; take this into consideration when selecting a gearbox ratio. The speed calculator at  http://www.highlevelkits.co.uk/gearboxplanningpage.html   is very useful in this respect.



    John Isherwood.


    Any idea what might fit the bill?

    I have a part built ex LNER O1 2-8-0 bought from a certain duck of this parish.

    Like most kits I've bought second hand it has a piddling little motor, Mashima 1220 I think. I can get up to a 14mm motor in the firebox but being rather mean and now, possibly, without a job as well could do with something cheaper than the remaining Mashimas if anything is available.

  13. 18 hours ago, roythebus said:

    Talking about hidden narrow gauge, there's one on the Thames that connects the old Harrods warehouse with the riverside. On the south towpath between Putney and Hammersmith, hearer to Hammersmith, there's a quay where barges could tie up. there's a maybe 15" gauge railway that goes along the quay with another line that goes across the towpath into the Harrods warehouse. I've know of the line for about 55 years and never seen any sign of it being used.


    Also some inset rails to be seen in the dip between the embankments at Sheet Stores junction near Long Eaton.


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  14. 21 hours ago, billbedford said:

    The LNER used to relocate its London suburban quad-arts to Nottingham and the West Riding on summer weekends so that they could be used by trippers to the east coast seaside resorts. I'm not sure when this practice ended, but I would guess around the late 50s early 60s. 


    Can't say I remember for sure if I travelled in non corridor stock, but have the impression I didn't, on days out to the coast before my parents had their own car around 1963-4

  15. 3 hours ago, PenrithBeacon said:

    In an earlier post AYMod chastised me for suggesting that insurers would take the risk of insuring a show against the possible consequences of an attendee getting Covid-19.

    As it's clear now that it isn't possible to get insurance for the risk then the exhibition manager and perhaps the trustees of the club under whose auspices the show is run would carry that risk.

    How might that risk be mitigated and how would a possible court case be financed? I'd be interested to know as might they.



    I'm sorry, but if we are expecting to be able to hold someone responsible for someone else contracting this particular virus, doesn't that by extension mean that anyone who catches a cold or normal flu or any other number of infections could be able to hold someone responsible?

    Taking an example where a source of infection is easily identified, poor hygiene in a catering establishment, it's relatively simple to trace the cause and act accordingly.

    But with hundreds of people in a venue for any event, not just a model railway show, how can the organisers be held accountable for something passed directly from one attendee to another?

    To take it to your obvious conclusion I suspect you're expecting to be able to sue the person that coughed as you passed them in the street, saying they had infected you?

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