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  1. Last time I went to Rhymey it was class 37 haulage, after a trip from Cardiff to Fishguard in the same train. Those rapid station stops and hills certainly made a 37 roar, best bit was full throttle through Caerphilly tunnel.

    Just doable in a day from Nottingham, although on one occasion it did get a bit squeaky bum time when the unit to get back to Cardiff was late. Something like a 20 minute connection for the last Nottingham turned into a less than 10 minute!

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  2. 37 minutes ago, sir douglas said:

    it must be a weird box to work in because of the lack of Windows.



    Quite a few boxes now have most, if not all the blinds permanently closed.

    Shirebrook junction, New Mills Central and Earle's sidings come to mind.

    They might have the door open in summer.

    No real reason to observe passing trains, it's all on the panel displays, no different to a signalling centre controlling hundreds of miles of line.

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  3. Many years ago when we built Deepcar we wanted to get away from the, at the time, cliché of Matt black, so fitted thin ply which was then varnished to give the impression of a Gresley coach side. One member took several weeks to paint the layout name in the style of LNER coach lettering.

    The lighting pelmet was finished in the same style with vinyl lettering produced by another member at work with the club name on.

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  4. Also the BRSA clubs or similar near many major locations.

    Worth having a read through some historical footplate stories, in the likes of Steam World, there were a number of books (Bradford Barton?) some years ago which gave first hand accounts of footplate life as well.

    Regular tales of a swift pint or two at the end of a shift or even mid shift if there was time.

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  5. 47 minutes ago, APOLLO said:

    Wish (jokingly) someone would pinch my Rover - She's insured for ten grand !!




    Careful what you wish for, very much desired in banger racing circles, like Ford Granadas, still seem to be plenty to be found?

    Stripped and sold as a rolling shell. I was talking to a former racer last year who said he'd given up because of such things, he was disillusioned that people were paying big money for something just to wreck it. 

    Another favourite is Toyota Supras, when did you last see one of those, but two were absolutely wrecked at a routine meeting at Yarmouth last year.

    Sorry about the thread drift:offtopic:

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  6. 4 hours ago, 35A said:


    Possibly the first MML one - but, surely, the first VP185-fitted ones were 43167-170 (on the Western, in 1993), which received VP185s for evaluation, after abandonment of the Mirrlees-Blackstone MB190s that they were fitted with in the late 1980s (replacing Valentas), for the same purpose? 43167-170 then, later, being fitted with MTUs, after the WR (might have been Great Western Trains, or even First Great Western, by then) decided to go with MTU for full fleet re-equipment. 


    Apologies if I'm misinterpreting the intended meaning of your original statement.


    Yes you're right, I was referring primarily to the MML ones. While I do take an interest in things more locally I'm not too sure of national developments and, especially nowadays, I completely lose track of time, for example how long it is since I went to Dawlish in the latter days of class 47s on XC!

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  7. 59 minutes ago, Flying Fox 34F said:



    It can be quite surprising to new staff as well.  I usually break the ice with someone new and take them to a location with a slower line speed to get them used to the idea of being close to a moving train.  Then we change locations to one on the ECML.  I have one spot where you can see 2 1/2 miles in a straight line.  I point out where to stand safely and explain the distance of how far aware the approaching train is, then I ask how long it will take to get to our location?  It makes people appreciate the dynamics of the railway.




    A former guard's instructor used to take new staff, after appropriate classroom training and careful site briefing of course, to the upside of the barrow crossing at Grantham, long since abolished. The experience showed vividly how a train can sneak up at speed relatively unnoticed. Lesson very much learned!

    By the time I did my PTS we weren't allowed trackside so mine was done on a dead end siding at Tyseley and on the platform at Stechford (I think). Not quite the same impact.

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  8. I don't normally have a great deal to contribute to this thread, any notes being rather juvenile scribblings, but today is an exception.

    Very much towards the end of my 'junior' spotting days before other more 'grown up' interests took precedence for a few years.


    This day in history 3rd January 1970, a couple of days before the end of scheduled passenger services over Woodhead.

    Having travelled the route earlier in the summer when St Pancras-Manchester services were diverted this way I decided that a final trip would be in order.

    I noted both locos and DMUs but it seems that most of the contributions only include locos so I'll follow that, if someone would like to see the relatively few unit numbers I can add them later.

    I remember it being quite snowy on the Manchester side and what I think was a fairly easy going attitude to the speed limits. If I'm not mistaken I rode in an ex LMS coach which gave a rather lively ride. 

    Anyway enough waffle, on to the numbers listed in the order seen and with D prefixes regardless of whether they were actually carried.



    D40, D7529, D7520, D75, D3777, D3037, D42, D8059, D8075, D8013, D7523, D7527, D5244, D8512(?), D8064, D2231, D2387, D1571, D123, D1697 which was the train engine, D3186, D8182, D9, D117, D3351, D27, D8192, D8048, D79, D1766, D305, D1633, D312.


    Then over to Victoria station in Sheffield. EM1s (class 76) are listed without the E prefix all still in the 26xxx number series.

    Sheffield-Manchester and return to Nottingham, it was probably getting dark as I haven't recorded that much after leaving Manchester.

    26057, which was the train engine, D3314, 26034, 26033, 26050, 12098, 26044, D328, D3771, D3824, D3779, D3765, E3008, E3101, E3185, D7585, D141, 26054, E3079, 26057 back to Sheffield again, D7595, D7577, D88, D1702, D5687, D1857 back to Nottingham, D1892.







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  9. 1 hour ago, DaveF said:

    This afternoon's photos are once again on the ECML, starting at Durham and heading north to Gateshead.




    Durham HST Cardif to Newcastle Oct 86 J8716.jpg




    Plawsworth 43060 Aberdeen to Kings X Oct 87 J9325.jpg




    Low Fell 47428 Poole to Newcastle 28th June 88 C09558.jpg




    Low Fell 56129 down empty coal 28th June 88 C09559.jpg




    Bensham 43047 Edinburgh to Kings X Aug 86 J8658.jpg





    J8658, 43047 brought the curtain down on VP185 operations on the midland mainline a few weeks ago.

    Apparently the first fitted with that engine replacing the original Paxman Valenta, it was perhaps fitting it should also be the last one in service.

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  10. I've just watched this the whole way through. Whilst there are countless inaccuracies which stand out to anyone who knows the area, it does nonetheless give a very good impression of how things were.

    Let's face it all of the lines travelled over have been gone for half a century! There's precious little infrastructure left, apart from odd bits if you know where to look.

  11. Our old club layout Skipley had one, a fictional layout based on the Skipton/Keighley area (if you hadn't guessed) the only way to get a reliable diamond crossing on a curve. Built in the mid 80s it was on show for many years at the HMRS building at Butterley, now in private ownership.

  12. 1 hour ago, 5BarVT said:

    In my ‘dossing down’ days, a first class compartment was out of reach (though with hindsight I doubt anyone would have found out or been bothered).  Since first class has been an option, (1) I don’t doss down, (2) Mk1 had gone!

    Nice thought though.



    Not sure if it's relevant to you but having sat in an LNER Hitachi first class seat for a few minutes I very much doubt they would be comfortable for a doss. If that's the first class seat I can imagine the standard to be very uncomfortable.

    Admittedly it was a single airline style seat but I found it cramped and very hard, I don't think I'll be using them very often, if at all.

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  13. I don't know if this is any help but, my own slide. I don't have scanning facilities so I've used my phone and an ancient slide viewer which still had uncorroded batteries in dated 1997! 

    Taken, I think, at Derby during an open day. A real shame at least one of them couldn't have been preserved.




    Edit there's a couple of pictures, including both of these looking like they're recently arrived at Derby, on the RCTS archive, link below.

    Also a pair taken at March including no 23.


    Maybe I should add the link, d'oh


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  14. There's a picture of no 32 inside Barrow Hill towards the back of the Locomotives Illustrated devoted to B1s.

    Although not a full side on view it appears that it has been renumbered by using the number 3 from it's original number (61315) and adding a two in the same font and size. 

    Given that they were not supposed to be able to be used for traction purposes it retains both the front coupling and vacuum hose.

    I've seen several pictures of these in one place, possibly the relevant Yeadon  or Power of the B1s? Both books are in our club library but I can't get there before Friday, someone has to go every couple of days to empty the dehumidifier as the roof leaks.



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  15. Definite family likeness?




    Looks like one of these, a class A 0-6-0, proving difficult to find much other information, that's as much as the photo caption gives.


    Edit: found a bit more, some were Beyer Peacock built, others looking similar were built at Dundalk, there's a few pictures in an album on smugmug but I can't get it to link


  16. 19 minutes ago, Moxy said:

    I agree some are possibly Irish, but I'm not certain.  This website https://transportsofdelight.smugmug.com/RAILWAYS/IRISH-RAILWAYS/GREAT-SOUTHERN-RAILWAY-STEAM/i-3xQkqWL has the most comprehensive collection of Irish locos I've found, but none of the examples seem to match that website.


    Could photo 7 be the 'English' Great Northern Railway perhaps?


    Photo 9 is an LNWR coach, probably at Crewe or Wolverton, if it's an official photo.





    I tend to agree that photo 7 looks like 'English' GN, Stirling/Ivatt era(?) but the tender is much more GC. The loco looks as if it's Irish broad gauge. 

    Knowing not that much about Irish railways, did any have contractor built locos, possibly Beyer Peacock given the similarity to a GC tender?


    Edit: looking up Wikipedia there seem to be quite a number of B-P built 0-6-0s

  17. 10 minutes ago, The Johnster said:

    Is this to be a working model?  Period?  The 'scenic railway' at Barry Island, which blew down in a gale, and the identical still extant ride at Lowestoft or Great Yarmouth (IIRC) may not be suitable for a theme park scenario, but have the advantage of being clad in 'scenery' which will be much easier to represent than the wooden or steel open framework of typical coasters. 


    If it is to be a working model, I would suggest having the cars/trains driven for the entire ride rather than relying on gravity as the real things do.  A gravity drop in 4mm will be far too fast in scale speed terms; you want a scale maximum of 70 or 80mph.


    I think you mean the one at Great Yarmouth, if I recall correctly it's the only one in this country to still have an onboard brakesman (brakesperson?).

    Not a bad job but it has it's ups and downs, route knowledge is rather limited though:jester:

  18. 2 hours ago, Northmoor said:

    I totally agree; the 158/159s in particular have done exceptional work and all represent part of railway history.  Travelling back and forth up the North & West route on 158s might not have had the charm of a 33 + Mark 1s but was quick and comfortable.  I can think of a couple of railways that if they seriously wanted to operate "public" services, a couple of 156s would be ideal.


    If you start saving your pennies now, there's likely to be a number of 156s and 158s available in a couple of years. All the EMR fleet is slated for replacement by 'new' 170s, given that there are some of the 153s now stored with limited likelihood of further use I doubt there'll be takers for all the released units, especially given the downturn in passenger numbers.

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