Alex Neth

I am sorry for not recognizing where this forum lies, I realize that this is O scale. I am new to this site.

I mean, we could do that, have the pre-war loco (No. 181 Brown Trout) be the first of the class, then get rebuilt into the post-war version (No. 4800 Brown Trout), and when Collet becomes CME he gives Grange frames to about half of the worn-out Churchward 4-6-0s, and rebuilds the other half with Castle boilers as an successful experiment.

I just want to ask, what scale are you modeling in?

I can tell the difference, I'm just asking if we should use the grange with a Churchward cab, or Brown Trout, our more reasonable version of it.

For the base look of our class should we use: This one ^, Or this one ^?

Thanks for that. On another note, how many of them should or were going to be built, what time frame, and where they might have been built? (I'm making a faux Wikipedia article [not posting it on there, just Google Docs] on the Churchward Granges [aka. Fish class as I like to call them])

So is the Churchward Grange a mixed traffic loco, like the 43XX class, but longer?

Could you give me more details to work with? I don't think I'm getting the full picture.

Could I have a drawing or a diagram of what you are talking about?

On the topic of never-were locomotives, what are some other pre-grouping locos that never-were, or might have been "were"?

Ooh, speaking of hopper bunkers, how excited are you guys for the new NER Class O model coming to TMC exclusively by Bachmann, and the new-build No. 1759?

I agree, If I didn't know better, I would have said this looks like an American locomotive. It would be nice to see what this would look like if the DP-1 had knuckle couplers.

I disagree, the I3s were really great, they had larger fireboxes and were essentially a tank version of Billinton's B4 class.

Yes, reject steam, return to horse.

Got it, thanks.

Since we are talking about whyte notation, I'm going to make a tech tree of the wheel arrangements. But should I start it at the very beginning or start at 0-4-0?

Me looking at the numerous replies to me talking about James: Also I found a photoshopped red K class:

(If you see any grammar mistakes or info mistakes feel free to tell me, and I will fix it.) So, lets talk about James. For those who don't know, James is a 2-6-0 tender engine with 2 insid-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah... who cares, everyone knows him. You know his basis, the L&YR class 28, mogul version, which never existed, to help with stability issues with the smoke box. His model, however, does not depict the fake basis correctly. The Rev's model was of the G&SWR 403, aka Austrian Goods, which was going to be Jame's prototype basis.But this wasn't carried out, for some reason. But my theory is that the Austrian Goods look weird. The smoke box looks short, and the smoke box door looks too small. It looks like the NER Class P3 with the cab shorted and opened up. But then that brings up the fact that the L&YR 28 doesn't look like James either. The boiler is too high up, the bellpaire fire box doesn't match the shape, the cab height is closer to the fire box height, the cab windows are on the side instead of on top. There are some characteristics that do carry over to James, like the funnel and dome heights. Lets try some other Moguls, how about the CR 34 class? It's a good loco, but doesn't look like James, no bellbaire, base of smokebox too wide, windows too circular, and overall is too Scottish. Nothing is wrong with that, it's just Jame's isn't Scottish. There is one more inside 2-6-0, the DSER class 15 and 16. It does have a good resemblance to James, minus the dome, funnel, and boiler height. If those could be fixed, then we have ourselves a good James! But, however, then James would be Irish, and we want him to be English. In conclusion, there will never be a perfect basis for James, but we can make good, alternative versions. Like mine I came up with. It is a version of the LB&SCR K class (as below) with the footplate flattened out, and the splashers increased in size about 15%/20%, cab height increased with the windows being above the boiler, as seen in Jame's model, the outside pistons being removed, funnel height increase to reach the height of the cab, and finally the top of the bellpaire needs to be rounded on top, like James model. I would do it in photoshop but I would have no idea of what I'm doing, so I'm out of luck.

Thank you so much.

You got it.

More looks like a 15XX with the outside pistons.

I have a question, what were the pre-grouping companies for the NWR and their locomotives? I forgot what they were.

Could you show an example of what you mean?

Nothing is wrong about it, it just looks old, not that old is bad. For me it doesn't vibe smoothly.