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I would like to say what a good day I have had, thanks to the Grantham operators, JW especially.
I note the carriage aesthetics discussion, re-Mk1s, but there are bigger disasters with regards to the looks of railway vehicles.
Many people know my views on this, but I am going to say, here, the Gresley A4s fall into the hopeless category for me. I think Gresley had an idea of this too.
The GresleyA1/A3 and P1 are a rather better examples of the 20th century large steam locomotive design, from an aesthetic view-point. One could add they are less good than many late 19th Century examples, but designs have to move with the times.
I look forward to the 'discussion' on this!
On the plus side the A4 is more pleasing on the eye than other streamlined locos in Britain at that time.
I shall put on the tin-hat now.
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I have had a letter from Owen Russell, he wishes to thank everyone who has helped to identify the location.
John
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I suggest you re-read what HGR said.
The Down train is leaving the Up Independent, crossing onto the Up Main and then will regain the Down Main over a further crossing behind the photographer. The Up Independent is not a bi-directional line.
John
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I may have the working for D49 368.
Given the wrong line working, it is almost certainly a Sunday.
The 9.25am from Leeds to Newcastle picked up an empty TPO at York on its way north.
John
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6 hours ago, John Smart said:
4494 was still in green livery in August 1938, so the date is not correct.
I agree that the headboard looks like the Yorkshire Pullman, therefore my thought is that the photo was taken around April 1939, when 4494 was at Doncaster shed.
I have contacted Tommy Knox about 4494 on the Yorkshire Pullman.
He has given these dates in 1939:
March 13th and 15th.
April 15th, 18th 24th and 27th.
And finally May 2nd.
On 3rd May 1939 it was transferred to KX.
So the photo was, possibly, taken on one of these dates.
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44 minutes ago, Hroth said:
On the other hand, the "Yorkshire Pullman" headboard obscures the last number on the buffer beam and is also more curved than that on 4494, who's headboard seems to have a slightly shallower curve with ends that seem to align with the buffers, though that might be a trick of the angle...
And your point is?
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4494 was still in green livery in August 1938, so the date is not correct.
I agree that the headboard looks like the Yorkshire Pullman, therefore my thought is that the photo was taken around April 1939, when 4494 was at Doncaster shed.
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On 04/07/2020 at 07:41, jwealleans said:
Gilbert, while you think of a new poll, perhaps I can offer this as a distraction? A few of us were discussing this picture online last night. I'm afraid I don't know the photographer and certainly don't have copyright, so not to be further reproduced, please. Posted here for research purposes only.
Where to begin? The A4 is on a train in a bay platform(?) facing north. Is the stock Maunsell? What was the capacity of that bay? The stock looks empty to us - but why would a train using Southern stock be heading that way? They don't seem in any hurry to be going anywhere, are they awaiting passengers?
Date we reckon is certainly post 1936 (small lettering on wagons in the background, 4900 not released to traffic until May 1938) and most likely approaching the War although we couldn't see any blackout precautions anywhere.
The two light engines are on the Up Main, but both lamped for EP - are they waiting to take over another service, or to run to New England - they both look well coaled.
Note also the LMS opens loaded with aggregate of some sort in the foreground - you'd be told off if you did that on a model. Ex-LNWR BG in the background - might that be awaiting repair? I'm sure you told me those sheds were used for repair after the MPD moved to New England.
Any and all observations are welcome.
Jonathan and all, I thought you might like to know the answer to which train it is can be found in RO 115 for September 1938.
4900 hauled a full set of NBR corridor stock, plus one GN vehicle, as a portion of the 4pm Down on Saturday 30-7-1938. It was portion number 2, of 5 that day. The photographer was W H Whitworth at Peterborough, but 2 other photographers captured the service further south. Most notably showing the full train just north of Potters Bar.
I suspect the locos in the bay are awaiting further portions, B5 6072 almost certainly one for Cleethorpes.
John
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Hi Frank,
We could model a lot of extra trains through Clayton, but space would not permit them all.
John
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Plenty of interesting excursion traffic through Clayton as well.
John
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Looks like I am in-the-soup again!
When I have finished the excursion/theatrical traffic circulars volume there is a Quint to build.
Pigeons too.
John
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Are LNER cab interiors 2-tone?
I thought it was, what ever was on the outside was also on the inside.
There may have been exceptions at individual works.
Nice to know an ordinary passenger train near Coventry does not contain 'Foreign Stock' as the NER might call it.
John
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Hi Frank,
What a special view that is of the banked goods heading Down through Clayton.
I have tried to read your post on Bill's electronics several times, nothing goes in. Not really surprising, given my limited skills are elsewhere.
I have even more information about excursions on the Queensbury lines, courtesy of Mr Woodward and the LNER Society. Just in the period the layout is set too.
Cheers,
John
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49 minutes ago, Woodcock29 said:
I painted the splasher tops black on my Valour built in 1992. But I've never been 100% sure that was correct? Certainly in some B&W photos they appear quite different to what we know is green.
Andrew
Andrew,
I am with you.
As an author of the LNER Section of 'The Big Four in Colour', it is one of those questions... Some of the colour images of the time are definitely black. Others, I am not so sure.
Having looked at the single splasher GCR types, I think black is correct for the 4-4-0s too, before they became black overall in any case.
What must be said is that the finish on 6165 above deserves to stay. Well done to all involved.
John
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The model of Valour looks amazing.
Am I correct in thinking the tops of the splashers on the B3s were black in LNER days?
John
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Hi Frank,
Good to see how things have progressed last Thursday. It was great to see and operate trains running round the layout.
Nice to know there is still track painting to do...…..
John
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Gents,
I did not know until after his death that Roy was into Jazz, an interest we shared. I have sent a request to Jazz Record Requests for a Gerry Mulligan track in his memory. It may not happen, but I hope it might.
Geoff Tiffany said Roy had met GM on a US visit.
John
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8 hours ago, gr.king said:
But surely God lives in England? Sorry, couldn't resist...…
Surely, God has let us down, the team has won something?
I embrace failure, it is a way of life. Just look at railway modelling!
John Smart
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12 hours ago, Tony Wright said:There was, Graeme,
The little blue bl**der called Thomas was sneaked on when I had to answer a phone call. His picture was taken (not by me!), and it could well appear on Wright Writes.
Guess what? He carried express lamps, and Annie had a tail lamp!!!!
Unfortunately (fortunately?), because his wheels were too fat, he was unable to ponce through Little Bytham as he had done on Grantham, but yes, he was there!
Evening Graeme,
You are well informed.
I was told several days in advance that Thomas had been 'lamped', I rather wondered what that entailed. The evidence is below.
Cheers,
John
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15 minutes ago, cctransuk said:
Tony,
If possible, it would be very helpful to know the provenance of the (3D-printed?) trestles mounted on the 'WELTROL' (actually TRESTROL), and if they available to purchase anywhere.
Regards,
John Isherwood.
John,
Dave is making these out of plastic sections, so they are one-offs.
John Smart
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Hi Frank,
That looks great. I shall have to get over to the club rooms soon. Perhaps I can do some Clayton operating, whilst Hungerford is operated by the best team?
Wading through LNER Society stuff here. And helping Geoff at Dewsbury GN with ballasting.
John
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"St Medard's church spire is painted on the backscene, For those interested in religion, this is a unique dedication. "
Noted in Pevsner as a rare dedication. It depends on where one is looking to for inspiration, several St Medard's are about to be 'cut-off', by fog?
Mr Smart
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Jonathan,
My understanding is that the carriages were not built using teak panels, therefore the finish is painted.
There are a few eye-witness accounts in early copies of the North Eastern Express, which state many carriages were repainted with a teak finish, but others did just have overall brown paint.
One wonders, for instance, if any of the NER stock which went to the GE-Section was subsequently painted with a grained finish?
I am glad Dan is still doing some 4mm stuff - I don't think I need any more NER carriages though.
I am busy with a D&S GN horsebox at present, a few challenges mostly due to lack of clear prototype evidence.
John
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Hello Arthur,
Rather late on this one, but surely 'just entered my 90th year' means you were celebrating reaching 89?
Please put me on the list for an F8 kit if you have not done already so.
Very best wishes,
John