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Jol Wilkinson

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    Woodbridge, Suffolk (too far from the Premier Line)
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    4mm railway model making - which at present means the extended P4 layout "London Road" and etched kit design for London Road Models. I enjoy "model making" for the challenge and satisfaction it provides, as well as the research involved in modelling the LNWR.

    I enjoy blues/rock, good food (but not too much of it) good wine and English beer, as well as maintaining and enjoying our 1973 MGB roadster (weather permitting).

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  1. London Road Models haven't, AFAIK, seen any significant impact on coach kit sales following any RTR pre-group locomotive introduction, with the exception of the L&Y six wheel carriages when the Bachmann 2-4-2T became available. The L&Y coaches had a simpler two tone livery with little or no lining, more readily achieved than that of the LNWR or MR. My experience, through conversations with modellers over the years, either when displaying London Road or with LRM at shows, is that "complex" lined liveries are a significant deterrent to building coach kits. I think that is supported by the initial reaction to Hattons Genesis coaches, where people are willing to accept a generic carriage design that is already painted with a "difficult" livery and to (presumably) the level of finish achieved on RTR locos.
  2. Having designed a number of 4mm etched loco, carriage and wagon kits, I have found that there are compromises for all three 4mm gauges and, for locos, the compromises for OO and to a lesser degree EM, are the greatest. There are several modellers who have built S4 layouts, including Ray Hammond, who have proved otherwise.
  3. I emailed Holts several times over a period to ask if they can produce some items that were on their website when it was live, but got no response. the UK Model Shops site website link goes to Ebay, but has only a few items, including what seems to be some old stock. That rather gives the impression of a shop/business in decline.
  4. Colin Seymour at Alan Gibson Workshop supplies 4mm wheels of various sizes, brass pinpoint bearings, etc. http://www.alangibsonworkshop.com/
  5. It all depends on what you consider as accurate? My locos, carriages and wagons are all "layout models", hopefully looking like a reasonable miniature representation of the real thing. So that means getting the dimensions and external details correct, but not unduly equipped with detailed interiors, flickering gas lighting, etc. Those who want stock to run behind the well manufactured and presumably accurate RTR OO pre-group locos that have become available over the last few years but have little or no interest in building coaches will welcome Hattons generic models. I don't believe it will do much, if anything, to expand modelling or the pre-group period beyond what is available RTR. You reference to paucity of pre-group coach kits is wide of the mark, for some railway companies at least. The Mallard/Blacksmith etches are still available through Coopercraft. It is the moulded wagon kits he can't produce but is able to buy in the etches and the castings etc. are probably available elsewhere (247?). LRM, Roxey, Stevenson Carriages, Worsley Works, Dart, Wizard, Prickly Pear, Peco and others produce kits for pre- group coaches. So while Hatton's initiative will be welcomed by many who don't want to build, paint and line their own coaches, please don't imply that those who want to model pre-group with particular prototypes are short of opportunities. If you model something fictitious, even if it purports to have some level of realism about it, then how can anyone tell what is right or wrong?
  6. Originally they were painted green, although there is little to show exactly what the shade was. In the 1860's several were painted red (inaccurately described as vermilion) although the exact shade is unclear (possibly "brick red"). Work on the replica (not the full size "model" at Milton Keynes AFAIK) started in 1986 but stopped in 1990 when about 90% completed and has only just started again. When finished it could be used to scan for a RTR model.
  7. Because I like the look of that and felt that no end of wishing would produce one in 4mm (and P4 as well), I found a way to make this. An original LNWR Bloomer might provide a better option for a "generic" 2-2-2. Early enough that most people wouldn't know about them, so could be offered in a variety of railway company liveries. There isn't a preserved one to scan/copy, which seems to be the preferred route for new RTR locomotives at present (which is why Hardwicke at the NRM is the only LNWR passenger loco likely to be manufactured in 4mm) so an element of make believe could readily be applied to the design. Model and photo by Jim Kemp
  8. The LNWR six wheelers were rarely, if ever, end brake compartment vehicles, although the 28 ft 4 wheelers usually were. I wonder if many people would want to chop these. The usual reason given for not building pre-group carriages is recreating the livery, so cutting up a finely painted RTR coach may not be what many buyers would contemplate, if they don't feel confident they can maintain/restore/conserve (take your pick) the paintwork and finish satisfactorily. The majority of buyers, judging by this thread, will be content to accept that these coaches looks near enough and so happily justify their purchases. One of the characteristics of the LNWR was the variety of their stock in terms of compartments, brake or luggage compartment location, etc. This is one of the things that, for me, makes modelling the LNWR so interesting. The attached gives some idea of the differences that could be seen in their six wheel stock (from left a full brake, brake third, picnic saloon, bogie picnic saloon and a luggage composite).
  9. I am struggling to see how that is at odds with what I said. The question is, how actually similar are they to any particular pre-group railway's coaches? Clearly, the euphoria expressed here about these new models clearly shows that Hatton's have identified and reacted to a market opportunity. They appear to have gauged the acceptability of generic models that can be readily identified as belonging to a railway company based solely upon the livery, with little need to get dimensional and other differences especially accurate.
  10. I think you are rather mistaken here, if anything it provides an excuse not to build a more accurate model from a kit. An inaccurate coach with a accurate representation of a pre-group livery will satisfy a large proportion of modellers. The livery will be more obviously "right" to many people than the panelling, underframe details, etc. and that will satisfy their demand for pre-grouping models What Hatton's are doing is reacting to a demand for pre-group carriages to match the OO locomotives that introduced over the last few years. There is some irony in that these generic carriages, which in the case of the LNWR ones look little like the prototypes, are being eagerly welcomed to run with locomotive models which have been made to much higher levels of prototype accuracy. But then, this is, for many, a loco centric hobby and carriages and wagons are less improtant so something that looks about right will do. Those that want to model a particular pre-group railway with any degree of accuracy, will still need to make their own models from the wealth of kits that are available.
  11. The K's LNWR six wheel carriages are, in my view, best avoided. Although simpler to assemble as designed than an etched brass equivalent, they need a considerable amount of work to provide a decent and effective chassis.
  12. I wonder if any relation to Tony Collett, who ran a very good model shop in Portsmouth in the 1970/80's?
  13. Different eras have different definitions of words or phrases. For example, one definition of a "problem" is "an inquiry starting from given conditions to investigate or demonstrate a fact, result, or law". The LNWR also had Experiments, Precedent, Precursors and other locomotive class names, often quite different to those used by other railway companies. The LNWR has been well served by a number of 4mm loco, carriage and wagon manufacturers over the years, including M&L, Brassmasters, GEM, Millholme, , Proscale, K's, Jidenco, Mercian, DJH, Ratio, Chowbent/Wizard, Stevenson Carriages, PC and others, although LRM are the most prolific 4mm supplier. Of course the drawback for many people is that these are all kit producers. Perhaps it has been these wide coverage that has made the LNWR seem less of a market opportunity to the RTR manufacturers as those really wanting to model the LNWR have built their own stock from kits, although that is probably changing as fewer people want to make their own locos and rolling stock. It can't help that so few LNWR locos were preserved, thus removing the opportunity to 3D scan them for RTR production. The only RTR LNWR locos available to date, both by Bachmann (and one in LMS condition only) are both based on preserved locos. The LNWR carriage livery would also be difficult to produce in 4mm, although not impossible, but probably at a fairly high cost. Therefore I don't see much chance of anything beyond a RTR version of a Precedent/Jumbo (as Hardwicke is available for scanning at the NRM) and possibly a couple of carriage diagrams to run with it.
  14. The MR Railcar has been added to the LRM website, priced at £125:00. It is for the two 1904 Bain/Deeley 60ft versions in original condition, nos. 2233 and 2234. The body is designed to be built up as series of units, for ease of assembly. Two sets of etched valve gear are included, a "fine scale" version and a more robust, over scale, option.
  15. Not replacing London Road but retiring from taking it to shows. There are some possibilities as to what I will do with it, but that all depends on selling our house, etc.
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