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  1. I agree that Market Weighton has a lot going for it. Then I started to think about other options. Whitby West Cliff was interesting with the steep climb to the coast route. Finally I settled on another Junction with a steep climb, more of an up and over really, Malton.
  2. Had a play around with the mock up and the baseboard. Main line ( double track) will be on the plywood base up the centre of the boards. At this end Bilton Lane crosses the main line via a level crossing. Signal Box will be on the far side of the main line about where the first board cross member is. From the other end The first piece of track base board will be placed in the corner. It will form the base for the narrow gauge coal yard. It will have to extend about 8” out to the right of the baseboard to accommodate the incline. From this lowest level all the other heights will be plotted. Thankfully the process of building the mock up means that I know what heights are required.....at least I think I do Jon
  3. Just as an experiment here is a view from the current scene and compared to the mock up. The current view along the north end of the tar dock looking towards the the incline and abutments The mock up view - I can’t get in as close to the wall as in reality Wider view to show where we are ( looking along the cream wall left to right) I think that the angle of the bridge bridge is about right based on this. The combination of curves and inclines on the narrow gauge will be a good test of my track laying ability.......
  4. I’ve made progress with the mock up.....and added some (over bright!) colour to hopefully explain what is what. It is fair to say the the mock up has grown in scope...was intended as just the tar dock but now includes the start of the coal drop yard. The overall thing is now just under 1 metre long....what you see here will fill most of one board. This image is looking north ( basically). Bottom of the picture the bare cardboard going left to right is Bilton Lane. At the same level as the Lane is the standard gauge siding. On the dock there was a narrow gauge track running along the right hand side. The access was via a turnout two thirds of the way along. The access track came in over the bridge top centre. Top right of the picture are the two other standard gauge sidings - one called the depot siding ( over the coal drops), the other called number one siding ( for reception of wagons). This image is looking South.......imagine that the photographer is hovering over the coal yard around about where the drops are! There was access from Bilton Lane to the coal yard. This was why there was the bridge to the tar dock. Originally all the coal went by road using traction engines. I think that road haulage continued to be used throughout to supplement the railway traffic. This access dropped at approximately 1 in 10 to the coal yard. The Narrow gauge line had to climb from the low level coal yard to the bridge. I think that this incline will be at 1 in 25 or so....steep for a steam loco. Colour key grey = stone cream = concrete brown= Rail tracks ( mainly) green = “scenery” Jon
  5. I have a couple of photos of Pateley Bridge trains that I grabbed off the internet. ( so probably shouldn’t post here) One is described as “Excursion train 1935). It has J21 number 1515 on the front and 4 clerestory coaches make up the train. All of them have full running boards. The roof details are indistinct though. ( I actually think this is the standard Saturday service and not an excursion by the way) The other photo shows a three coach train - again all clerestory coaches. These all have full foot boards and the first two coaches (at least) only seem to have ventilators (no gas lamp tops). Unfortunately I don’t have a date for this photo. I know that this is a different locality, and therefore not directly comparable to NYMR, but hope it may be of use. Jon
  6. Hi Ian Looks good! Opening this post, and finding out that this kit is nearly there, has cheered me up no end after “ one of those days” at work! Jon
  7. Sheffield Midland for me too.......my university city. I can still remember arriving for the first time....that station was the gateway to a complete new way of life! Jon
  8. I agree about that picture.....It’s a lovely painting but I don’t think it can be relied upon as a faithful representation. Shame really because it is clear unlike most photos! Interesting plan by the way. I’d forgotten about it. If I remember correctly this is the plan before the narrow gauge was put in. The area marked A,B,C being the new land required to gain entry to the yard. B,C being where the incline to the tar dock started. I think that is correct? Jon
  9. I think that the track layout around the dock looked something like this Apologies for the mess all around.....I promise I’ll take some better photos with a bit more base area complete! The standard gauge siding fed into a double slip ( represented here by the diamond crossing). The green area next to the diamond crossing is where I think that there was an embankment. The two tracks leading from the diamond to the right are the two sidings, one of which was over the coal drops. Where that siding approaches the edge of the yard is about where the retaining wall goes back up to full height....I think. I need to plot out the dimensions for the retaining wall and the coal drops to make sure that it all makes sense. James - if you do have any photos of the area between the drops and the dock that would be great. At the moment all this is based on one photo and some estimates! On one, very popular, topic it is often said that modelling an actual location is easy because you just copy what is( or was) there. I’m beginning to wonder about this statement. Just as well that I enjoy the research aspect. Jon
  10. Hi James No need to apologise at all. My reasoning for the drop comes from two sources. First is that the wall currently slops down and looks to have proper coping stones on top - so hasn’t fallen down or been hurriedly reduced in height. The other source is the photo I grabbed off the NERA presentation. (Can’t reproduce it here without permission) That photo was taken close to abandonment time, but it is the only one that I’ve seen that shows the lower retaining wall section. It could have been higher at one time, I agree. My take on the layout is shown ( not to scale yet) as below The green represents the embankment above a low retaining wall. The wall then steps up to the coal drop level. Jon
  11. Hi Ade Hopefully the mock up will put all the bits into context. I’ve just a few bits to add to complete it. It has already achieved a lot for me though. I have confirmed most, if not all, of the dimensions. Crucially I have confirmed the relative heights from the narrow gauge yard at the lowest to the top of the tar dock at the highest. That should enable me to set out some track beds on a base board. Jon
  12. Armed with my new photos and some key measurements I decided to get it all down on paper. First of all a plan view. This was drawn at 2mm to 1 foot so it would fit on A4 paper. Top is the standard gauge siding ( or cycle path now). Centre left is the bridge. I have assumed 20’ as the span for this. The other key dimensions are noted in feet. The continuation drawing bottom centre is to show the retaining walls for the incline. Every 6’ the wall drops one course around the curve and then a more usual angle of descent is adopted. ( This is clearer on the elevation view) Then I created the elevations This top elevation is looking at the side of the tar dock. You see the ground drops from right to left (road level to narrow gauge yard level). I make this about 1 in 11 incline which seems ok. The continuation elevation goes to the coal drops. All this is guesstimates- apart from the height of 12’. This is the incline elevation and shows the retaining gaining wall shape. Finally som sketches......I’m no artist but I hope they make some of the features more clear. The end end of the tar dock showing the bridge abutment. The incline line bridge abutment. The other ( road end) of the dock showing the standard gauge and narrow gauge tracks. Hope these doodles are of interest. The mock up is progressing slowly but steadily...as are experiments with stone colours. Jon
  13. I had a feeling that the footy would be distracting you! Hope you had a good celebration!
  14. I managed a quick visit to the tar dock today. Armed with my notes and a tape measure I captured a few photos of areas that I couldn’t quite work out. First the corner by the road: There is a “column” here. I imagine it had a coping stone on top. I may even have an old photo that shows this ( or otherwise). The other area was the inset ( from the end of the dock) to the bridge abutment. By leaning out slightly and reaching out with the phone I could just about take a photo around the corner: Based on the number of stones ( which seem to be 20-24” long) this inset is about 80-96”. The tape measure wouldn’t stay horizontal...but the distance was over 80”. Finally I wanted to confirm where the retaining wall joined the tar dock at this end. This photo is at the same angle as the one above. This shows the retaining wall runs seamlessly into the tar dock wall. It also shows that the wall is sloping down here. It ran at a low level here until closer to the coal drops where the wall rises to full height. Shame about the barbed wire at this point. It would have been nice to get a photo facing this wall ( and to measure the span of the bridge) Jon
  15. So many seaside stations to chose from. For me though it is Brighton. Not only was this the closest sea to me when I was growing up, it was also the site of the best school field trip ever. The subject was Economics and we were 18(ish). We set off from East Croydon and when we arrived at Brighton station (mid morning) the teachers said: “meet back here at 4pm, we are going that way, and will be in these pubs. Only two rules - don’t get into trouble and we don’t want to see you again until 4!” Needless to say we went in the opposite direction to them and stayed in different pubs! Jon
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