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That looks more LNWR than LNER but it’s not a Prince tender; more like a Whale than a Bowen Cooke…

Thanks all for your help. I have the pic of 3000 but none other. Time to get numbering…

I have a number of Slater's pre-lettered North's Navigation wagons to build and wondered if someone with the appropriate volumes of Turton could kindly look up and confirm the running number ranges for me. According to the index, the volumes and pages are KT6/115 KT7/157* KT12/3 none of which I have. Cheers Peter

Thanks Gareth and sorry for the late reply! Although etched compensation beams appear to be designed to take tophat bushes, I've never seem them used that way. Some may have a different experience though and it would be interesting to here how they have been used. To reassure you, what I do is to remove the lower half and allow the beam to rest on the axle bushes. The also allows the wheel sets to be removable. Here is the C Class chassis in that fashion. I have bushed the central beam in an attempt to get a consistent ride height. The motor/gearbox assembly here has been leaned out of the way for the photo. There is also a tube and washer arrangement on the 3rd axle that is designed to stop the beam slipping off the axle bush; the gearbox does the same job on the driven axle. I think this build has stalled at the point of dummy motion...

This all looked great at the Manchester show. Might be worth a trip to York now just to see the new coaches.

Thanks Jol. The C class has moved on in that it is now up on its wheels and the superstructure is underway. However it has gone onto the back burner whilst I get my Coal Tanks around my 3 foot curves! Yesterday I managed to get 2 of the three running but one with a K's body (all on LRM chassis) will only run backwards as seen in the video I posted on my layout thread. I don't think it's a sideplay issue because I resolved that...

After almost 10 years the DX Goods is nearing completion: This has been hard to build in P4. I found that when I fitted the rear steps the cranks fouled on these so off they came and back on slightly further apart. I think this was due to my having changed the valance for 1mm brass angle. That was also due to clearance issues. The kit was missing the blower valve but LRM supplied one. I also slimmed down the wheels and wondering now whether the balance weights on the wheels might foul on the rods. Still got to fit the cab details.

LNWR DX Goods nearing completion. Finally got the blower valve fitted to the left hand side. A bit more to do including the backhead and a lot of cleaning up...

Got an LNWR train running (WIP) to test haulage. This length of train now only possible with the roundy layout:

Hi Stephen The Morris & Holloway wagon is a Slaters pre-lettered kit that I applied matt varnish to before assembly, mainly to protect the lettering. The BLAKE wagons I think were Cambrian kits with raised ends. According to "The modeller's sketchbook of Private Owner Wagons" Book 1, Blake wagons were 5 plank, red (not oxide) with black corner plates. I think the varnish has warmed the red up a bit but I quite like it. The decals I think were Modelmaster which I bought at a show from the guy who used to have Parkside Dundas. I've found them here of the web but there could be other sources: https://www.hamodels.net/modelmaster-private-owner-4mm-decals-blake-hereford.html All are on Brassmasters Private Owner wagon underframes. For anything that's going to spend most of its life static in the yard I think I can justify these underframes for their detail.

I think RMWeb has lost the pics of these wagons so for posterity here's the shot again from the other angle: Couplings missing!

I would have given the same answer that they were South Wales Coal Co. wagons though @drduncan got there first! The photo is hard to date but the chimneys have been replaced and there is now a small chimney pipe were previously the Gents was. This was converted to a lamp room and the Gents moved next to the bridge. I don't have a date for this change but if I went through sufficient old O/s maps I could probably spot it. I think it might have been in LMS days. Turton is interesting in that it states the wagons were repainted by Blake but has an advert dated 1922 which still uses the trading name and gives Depots at places including Woofferton. With my marketing head on, I would have thought that brand would have been valuable and would have been retained. On the photo in Turton Vol 10 Page 124, the Dean Goods has a belpaire, the dome painted over and, most notably, the smokebox has visible rivets. Again I don't know when this change to riveting happened but I'm sure it's post Edwardian possibly 1920's. So although the date of 1932 might be out it is probably after 1918 and into the 1920's. I also have acquired a RTR Dapol model of a South Wales Coal Co. liveried wagon . This is longer than my other wagons and is probably to the 1923 spec so of no use to me. Would Dapol produce a wagon that was obsolete after 1918? Maybe Turton is wrong. Here's my take on the scene.

I realise that I have not posted an updated image of the layout so here it is, or as much as I could squeeze in one take. All track is laid and working including the cassettes in the fiddleyard. A LNWR train is waiting in the fiddleyard having tested the Coal Tanks' pulling power. I've been weaving that embankment out of used cereal packets for ages. Hope to finish it soon. Stored below the layout can be seen the old end-to-end fiddleyards.

I have a date of 1932 for that photo so the latter scenario likely applies.

This image has been posted on my rolling stock thread and I am repeating it here as it provides a wealth of detail relevant for the layout development. The date I have for the photo is 1932. Firstly the railway boundary is marked by a somewhat unkempt hedge. In pre-grouping days this would have been kept tidier. I initially had a fence but now removed. A lot of hedge to be built. There was a gate in the hedge behind the dock leading into the adjacent field. There is also a hedge on the platform dividing the passenger and goods areas. I do not intend to model the corrugated hut in that area. The yard crane is however on my to do list. The land on the station side is higher than that on the other with a drop beyond the up platform. The rather tall telegraph poles are also evident on this platform. To the south beyond the station limits is a copse surrounding a pond. I am not modelling this on the extended layout as the trees would obscure my view of the trains which kindof defeats the objective of extending the layout. Also the baseboards narrow in this area so there is little room for it. Instead I am building an embankment on that new board. Photos of progress to follow.

A long while ago, possibly earlier in this thread, I made a New Years resolution to build trains not just locos. Well that didn't last long - so rest assured I still have more locos built than carriages. Here's the inspiration shot for this train though; the only pre-grouping one I have for Berrington & Eye. The train is made up of six LNWR 6 wheelers, a brake van at each end and pulled by a Small Jumbo/Whitworth. The platforms were staggered at B&E: the down had been extended beyond the road bridge which is why the loco might appear to have pulled up short. This is Leominster, next stop on the down line. The GWR train is likely destined for one of the branches off Leominster but on the mainline is another LNWR local in a slightly different formation:

Whilst building a rake of 6 wheel LNWR carriages I realised I did not have anything built suitable to pull them. So here's my LRM ex Geo Norton Whitworth 2-4-0 work-in-progress plus LRM D385 brake van and a couple of 3rds from David Geen ex Microrail. All running on LRM LNWR 30' 1" Cleminson bogies. There's another 4 in the works:

A GEM Precursor appeared on eBay yesterday but it had gone by the time I got home. Don’t know which tender it has but suspect BC. The Brassmasters kit used to have the option for a Whale tender but BM can no longer supply the cast top. The later BC tender had no coal rails and different cutouts in the underframe and was introduced for the Georges. There are later pics of Precursors running with such tenders. Depends on your period. Talbot’s book has drawings right at the back.

Getting hold of a kit for a Precursor with a Whale tender is a bigger challenge!

You’ll need to change the safety valve on that Coal Tank too…

Hi Jol, excuse the dumb question but what are these and do I need any? Peter

I got mine from the previous incumbent at 247 Developments when he sold LNWR items. He didn't address the roof issue as, the last time I looked on the box, the kit is devoid of a roof! I've since acquired a Modellers World version which is probably from the same artwork as the erstwhile 247 Dev. one.

I've finally started to build one of these for my LNWR/GWR joint layout. I used a David Geen 6w underframe from the spares box discarding the stretchers that came with the Mallard kit. The axle box castings are from the same source. I utilised a Brassmasters Cleminson underframe though the LRM one would have done too as it has the correct wheelbase. I botched the gas cylinders to get them in but I don't know if these vehicles had them. There should be a brake cylinder too: can't find a drawing.

There are no diamonds on the LNWR wagons livery which makes it quite late. Definitely post 1912.

I’ve used diluted Dettol with some good results both on plastic and whitemetal.