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    Overlooking trees and a BR Standard Van body in Trellech.
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    P4. Railways large and small but inparticular those of South Wales and the Welsh Marches. Music of all types but especially those that involve guitars. Playing guitar. The beautiful British countryside. Hill walking, pubs, good food, tea, proper beer, single malt whiskey, running and sleep!

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  1. Dave is doing one. He had a nearly finished test etch at Scalefour North last year and it looked excellent with an inovative method of springing the centre axle. Not sure how close to release it is though. Justin
  2. There was only one branch off the Hereford. Ross & Gloucester Railway at Ross-on-Wye though, so it wasn't much different to countless other junction stations on single track lines. At Monmouth there were lines to Usk/Little Mill, Ross, Chepstow and also at one point to Coleford though it did close very early (1917). Justin
  3. In a similar, albeit smaller, vein to Brecon: Monmouth.
  4. Brecon Free Street station had four platforms was the hub for four seperate lines, all single track, though the junctions for two of those lines were some way from Brecon itself at Talyllyn and Three Cocks Junctions. I wouldn't necessarily describe Free Street as a 'large' station though. Set in a beautiful location certainly and perhaps the epitome of a rural railway centre but traffic was never really heavy and aside from the grand station building the layout wasn't big or complicated. Justin
  5. Potential 7mm Scale Anchor Mount Tanks Wagons I was asked via another forum if I would do something for anchor mounted tank wagons in 7mm scale. Consequently drawing work has been completed for two types of underframe and also two diameters of tanks, 7’3” and 6’7”. The kits would principally be for fuel oil tanks though the underframes could be used for other types such as bitumen tanks. As the bitumen types were insulated and had different anchor mountings they would need different bodies and fittings which I am not considering doing at this time. Below you will find further details on the etches and some pdfs of the frets. There is also a note about fittings. I am proposing to only put these into production if there is sufficient demand to do so (see prices and ordering below). The deadline for ordering is the beginning of next month and currently I have orders with payment for 8 underframes and 8 bodies which is short of the required number. If you are interested in a decent 7mm scale anchor mount tank wagon then please continue reading. Underframes These follow the same basic design as my 4mm version and are sprung using guitar wire leaf springs. The chassis is a fold up sandwich type affair with spacers between. They will be etched on 0.4mm brass. There are two kits: OB.71 14T underframe with BR type axleguards OB.74 20T underframe with RCH heavy duty type axleguards This covers the vast majority of fuel oil tanks built with anchor mountings. Tank Bodies Parts These include everything to build the bodies, except for the tank wrappers which can easily be made from 0.010” sheet. This can be summarised as the saddles and anchors, tank formers, Class B drain valve parts, ladders and walkways. Again they will be etched in 0.4mm brass apart from the mesh or chequer plate used on the walkways which will be etched in 0.010” brass. I will do dimensioned drawings for the wrappers in the instructions. There are two kits: OC.71 7’3” tank parts OC.72 6’7” tank parts Combinations The four kits can be combined to produce most of the fuel oil tanks built from around 1947. These are summarised as follows: OB.71 + OC.71 14T Class A Tanks 14T underframe + 7’3” tank OB.71 + OC.72 14T Class B Tanks 14T underframe + 6’7” tank OB.74 + OC.71 20T Class B Tanks 20T underframe + 7’3” tank Fittings As I am doing these wagons in 4mm scale for myself I have been gradually drawing up 3D artwork to go with the etches. This includes tank ends; manholes; Class B screwdown valves, discharge valves and steam heat manifolds, Class A siphon block and associated vents and of course the spring and axleboxes. If I get enough orders for this project to go ahead I will look at producing them in 7mm scale to go with the kits. This may well be in the form of whitemetal castings from 3D printed masters rather than straight 3D prints, I will need to look at prices. There is no definitive timescale or price yet for these but if the bodies go ahead then they will be done sooner rather than later. Prices and Ordering The underframes are going to be £30 each and the body parts £25 each. In order to go ahead with the etches I'll need confirmed orders with payment for 15 underframes (in total, there can be a mixture of the two and it doesn’t matter to me if it’s 14 of one and 1 or another) and 15 sets of body etches (again in total with a mix of the two). The underframe and body parts aren’t dependent on each other to go ahead but you must say if you don’t want the underframes without the bodies when ordering. Hopefully this will avoid any issues if there is insufficient demand for the bodies. My preferred method of payment is by cheque, made payable to “Justin Newitt” not Rumney Models (!) and sent to the address below. These will not be cashed until there are sufficient orders to proceed. If we do not reach the required number I will simply return the cheques. Rather than leaving this open ended I intend to set a deadline of 6th April to order these kits. If we get enough orders to go ahead then I will get the etches done as soon as this happens rather than waiting until April and the parts will then join main Rumney Models 7mm range; if not payments will be returned. Payment can also be arranged by bank transfer (email me for details) but the payee’s bank account details must also be included for returning the money in case of insufficient take up and payments via Paypal (again email me for details) will attract a surcharge; this will be 4% for UK orders and 6% for overseas. This arrangement is not ideal but I have already spent a lot of time reworking the 4mm artwork and do not wish to do anything further until such time as I know I’m going to be paid for that time and the further work that needs to be done, i.e. instructions and tank wrapper drawings as well as paying for the tooling and the etches themselves. Justin Newitt Rumney Models 3 Warren Terrace Trellech Monmouthshire NP25 4PH [email protected] 7mm Anchor Mount Tank Wagon Bodies - OC.71 7.3 Foot Tank RM181123C.pdf 7mm Anchor Mount Tank Wagon Bodies - OC.72 6.7 Foot Tank RM181123D.pdf 7mm Anchor Mount Tank Wagon Underframes - OB.71 14T BR Anchor Mount Tank Underframe RM-181123A.pdf 7mm Anchor Mount Tank Wagon Underframes - OB.74 20T RCH Anchor Mount Tank Underframe RM181123B.pdf
  6. The liveries depicted on the tank wagons look to be pretty good reproductions of the post 1959 National Benzole Class A and Class B ones. There are images of both liveries in the revised edition of Tourret's Petroleum Rail Tank Wagons of Great Britain. Any inacuracies with these models lie in the tank wagon itself not the livery. The Bachmann cradle mounted tank wagons are pretty clunky and have a tank diameter and pitch that doesn't match anything I've come across. National Benzole 734 was an ex Air Ministry 14T Class A saddle mounted wagon (much bigger tank to begin with and welded to, picture in the above book) and 2023 was a 14T Class B Anchor Mount (search the Colour Rail website and loco number 82006 for an image of one this batch at Aberystwyth). Justin
  7. Yes fair enough Collett 3500 gallon will suffice for them. Justin
  8. Just to add a little to the Manor and 3500 intermediate tender discussion, when the combination did occur they almost always were paired with Churchward type. Other locos, in addition to Compton and Odney mentioned above, that got them were Barcote and Ilford. Compton's pairing was interesting as the intermediate tender was one of those converted from older units rather than built under lot A.112. The only Manor that I know of that was paired with a Collett 3500 gallon intermediate tender in BR days was Fringford. She ran with this for a couple of years. The prize for the oddest Manor/tender pairing must surely go to Cookham who in 1965 aquired a 4000 gallon tender. Justin
  9. Only one. As Porcy suggested tie bars on wagons are usually formed from flat bar (though could be round between the axleguards (W-Irons)). On wagons built with vacuum brakes they were bent at the ends to wrap around the outside of the axleguards. On wagons originally built unfitted they were usually welded between the individual keeps or stirups. These keeps again wrapped around the edges of the axleguards. In the cast majority of cases they were not L shaped. The only wagons (that I know of) that had L section tie bars were the 16T minerals retrofotted in the mid-1960s, such as the one in the above photo. Justin
  10. Yes I suppose so which is a bit of a shame. You'd have though that it wouldn't take much to make sure there is enough room in the splashers for EM or P4 wheelsets (22mm should just about do) but sadly the finescale market is tiny and manufactures wan't to pay any attention to it. But the alternative is to build the only decent kit available and if you factor in the time to do that and then paint it perhaps it's not that expensive a body after all? As Bob says most people wouldn't need a new chassis and new wheels can be had from Alan Gibson but if they don't fit then they might not buy the loco to begin with. Justin
  11. Peco are manufacturing the EM track for the EM Gauge Society. The EM Gauge Society are producing it for their members and are paying all the bills; they own it, not Peco. If it was down to Peco alone they wouldn't be producing it. Justin
  12. That's fine by me. I'll look forward to hearing the results of your enquiries. If he says the wagon were pooled ask him how that worked in practise and what the dairy companies got out of the arrangement. They still owned the tanks and had more milk tanks built post 1942 so they must have benifited from any arrangement with the M.M.B. Cheers, Justin
  13. Different diagrams yes but not necessarliy different dairy companies. Almost all the dairies operating milk tanks had multiple diagrams. Interestingly most of those in this picture are Unigate types. I can't make them all out but from right to left: (probably) GWR O.52 (Ex Cow & Gate with Unigate plate), GWR O.57 or O.60 (Unigate), LMS d.1994 (could be any number of diaries but looks like a United Dairies plate), LMS d.1994 (probably with what looks like a United Dairies or Unigate plate), I don't know what the fith one is but the plate looks to be United Dairies or Unigate. The example in the goods shed doesn't look to be Express Dairy either as there is no number plate on the crosshead (baulk at the end of the tank). Most, if not all, United Dairies/Unigate types. Again from right to left: LMS d.1994 (United Diaries or Unigate plate), SR d.3157 fitted with a sloping tank (United Dairies), another LMS d.1994 (could be a number of dairies), another sloping tank, centre platform example probably SR d.3155 as there are no diagonal stanchions on the ends (United Dairies), GWR Possibly O.55 (could be ex. Cow & Gate, ex Aplin & Barrett or M.M.B), another centre platform example could be GWR or SR but will have been United Diaries. It's not always easy to tell diagrams (and which company owned the tank) apart but generally those with small dairy plates were United Dairies/Unigate, Express Dairies plates were much bigger and had the number plate on the crosshead. Full platforms were United Diaries, mesh walkways were mostly Express Dairies. Thanks, that's brilliant. Do you want to try and get in touch with him Karhedron or should I? Don't want to both pester him at the same time. The M.M.B. was set up with the intention of making sure that farmers got a minimum price for their milk. Prior to that they were at the mercy of the big diairies to a certain extent. In some ways it's a shame we don't still have the diary industry working in this way with the huge supermarkets around... Certainly what happened during WW2 was that the restriction of underframe to the railway company that built it disapeared so they became 'common user' in that sense. They may well have been pooled, and it would probably make sense practically to do so, but looking at photos I don't see what I would expect from that situation, i.e. a random selection of wagons and it leads to more questions than answers. Justin
  14. As would I. I asked because I'm yet to be convinced that the milk tanks were all put in one pool and vehicles sent randomly to creameries for filling. I occasionally get asked by customers to identify milk tanks in a particular service that they want to model. I've got reasonably good at identifying diagrams and a lot obviously corresponded to a particular dairy company, a situation that continued post 1942 when further milk tanks were built. What I tend to see is that milk tanks operating to a particular creamery generally had tanks owned by the dairy that ran it. If they were pooled I would expect to see more of a mix and whilst there isn't a huge amount of decent photographic eveidence to go by the instances I've looked at are too frequent to be just chance. From what I gather in 1942 the Milk Marketing Board were handed the responsbility of controlling the distribution of milk to ensure supplies got to where they were needed. Entirely sensible in war time (and post war) conditions It would be interesting to know exacty how this relationship worked with the diariy companies (including the M.M.B itself with its creamery hat on). If the milk tanks were pooled as you say it would also be interesting to know what the dairy companies got out of it as they certainly would have contributed to that pool by paying for more tanks (that they still owned) to go on underframes post 1942. Personally I suspect there was something a bit more complicated going on as there were a lot of different 'interests' in the movement of milk by rail. It would be nice if someone who was there could answer some of these questions and explain it properly but I imagine that is now a dwindling bunch and the only comments I've seen are along the lines of 'everyone's got it wrong' but giving no explaination as to what is right, which is as much use as a chocolate teapot... Justin
  15. I'm interested in exactly what you mean by the term 'pooled' and how did it effectvely work? Justin
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