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    Mikkel

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    7 minutes ago, Miss Prism said:

    T9s were regulars on the DN&S, but what 30120 is doing at that end of the station I'm not sure, unless it is turning itself around on the Didcot triangle (rather complex compared to taking a visit to the shed).

     

    The continental wagons are a mystery.

     

     

     

    Similar FS wagons to those pictured at Pembridge on another recent thread.

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    MullionPeter

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    Apart from the usual map sources, Helston has been pretty well documented. I am sure it is in one of the OPC series.

     

    By the 1950s, access to the loco shed would be as you have shown it, off the platform road, rather than by a diamond from the loop (shown on that OS map). From memory, that change happened in the 1930s.

    Stoker

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    11 hours ago, Stoker said:


    That's 64cm deep when including the settling tanks and the single track siding in front of the linhay. Were it to be reduced to just the building, the structure would've been 1 metre by 20cm.

    I hadn't really thought about producing any kind of kit of a clay works until you mentioned it. My 3D CAD drawings are simply used as a scale reference mock-up - I find it's easier to build a 3D model where errors can simply be deleted, and if I'm modelling a prototype as the model progresses it can be compared against photos to ensure the correct dimensions have been captured.

    I have considered in the past producing a series of smaller, Cornish themed resin buildings, ala Scenecraft. For this kind of thing I'd mostly be making Cornish cottages, mundic bungalows, Cornish Units, etc. To produce a kit for a china clay dryer, I'd really only be able to offer it as a craftsman kit, basically just all the raw materials required and a set of templates and instructions. This is most certainly something I'd be willing to offer if people would be interested.
     


    That would be Carlyon Farm dry, the prototype still stands alongside the former Trenance branch. Built by John Lovering, as evidenced by his signature square plan chimney stacks, it was announced in press statements to be the "largest dry ever built". It actually wasn't! Great Treverbyn dry at Par (served by Alfred and Judy) had the longest drying pans. For continuous rows of conjoined pans with furnaces and chimneys between, both Blackpool (back before it was modernized) and Wenford held the record jointly, roughly 1/3rd of a mile of drys.

    The smallest drys served by rail were a handful of drys that were under 250 feet, but over 200 feet in length. All were roughly 40 to 50 feet in building width, and had settling tanks that extended anywhere from 60 feet to 120 feet behind the building. If you were to compress the settling tanks out of the equation, a realistic coal fired dry (circa 1890 to 1960) can be had in a space 1 metre long by 16-20cm deep.

    The loading edge by the way was usually divided into multiples of 20 foot lengths, because that was the length of one china clay wagon, buffers and all.
     


    Without at all meaning to sound condescending, I think it's really interesting and informative to see the point of view of a person who knows nothing about the industry and what questions they have, and I thank you for commenting. The difficulty of being a teacher is remembering what it was like to know nothing, and reading your comment it very much takes me back to the days when I was a curious child who had so many questions about how the industry worked.

    Although I have made a few topics on the subject and answered questions wherever they cropped up on the forum, perhaps having a single reference source would be more useful to people. I'm considering starting a separate blog detailing the industry, with all the topics divided up into individual blog posts for easy reference. Is that something that people think might be useful?

     

    A very interesting set of replies. Thankyou.

     

    My knowledge of the inner workings of china clay production is certainly limited although I do recall looking at it a bit when on a school geography field trip to Cornwall in 1972.

     

    Like you, I am a "curious child", always up for visiting any industrial facility to see how it works. But most people are not. I well recall one of the first activities organised for us as students, a visit to a glassworks making bottles for Champagne. Only about 30% of my colleagues turned up and college principal was, quite rightly, a bit miffed with the absentees. I think that being of that enquiring disposition is probably one of the things that pushes us into modelmaking as a hobby. We are more interested in the world around us.

     

    30 years ago, when I was working in the model trade, I tried to get my boss into production of resin kits of buildings. He was not convinced of the viability/market. Scenecraft (and others) has proved me right. I should have pursued it on my own. Making the masters would not have been a problem and Victor, our resin caster, was a master of the craft.

     

    I think you could have great success with a range of small Cornish buildings. Agreed that the dries might need a different approach such as you suggest.

     

     

     

     

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    Stoker

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    Going right back to the OP, the 64cm depth of that building is a bit of a problem but I don't understand why the 1m length would be a problem on any layout.

    Rosevear seems to have produced a very comprehensive CAD drawing there. Was that intended to be used to manufacture a kit of parts via digital tech? I would be interested in a set.

    pylonman

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    1 hour ago, pylonman said:

     

    Hi Joseph.

     

    The loco was never delivered ; there is no reference date.  That is/was the problem.

     

    Keith

     

    Hi Keith,

     

    I understood that but perhaps I did not express myself very well.

     

    The one-year limit would apply to something that had been delivered.

     

    I don't think that there is any limit in respect of non-delivery but if there is, it would be the 6 year timeframe.

     

    Joseph

    pylonman

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    50 minutes ago, pylonman said:

    Hi.

     

    Problem was ; I paid by credit card but because I had already been waiting for the model

    for nearly 1 year, the credit card company said I was outside of the time limit.

     

    I appreciate the advice, but I am confident that I have followed all of the options available

    to get my money back.

     

    This post is purely so that others can learn from my mis-fortune.

     

    Thanks

    Keith

     

    Well, they would, wouldn't they?

     

    Banks don't like to pay out. But I think they are wrong on this one. The one year would apply from the time the loco was delivered. Worth a reference to the Ombudsman.

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    pylonman

    Posted

    This particular receivership seems a bit more "straight" than some. Generally, I am fairly disgusted by the way in which companies are allowed to avoid their responsibilities in these circumstances often reappearing in an arrangement known as "pre-pack".

     

    There are cases (I was involved in one helping the creditors) where a Director can be held personally liable. At the very least, if it can be shown that they were negligent in continuing to trade when the company was insolvent, they should be reported to the appropriate authority so that they can be struck off i.e. banned from being Director of a Limited Company.

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    ddoherty958

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    Looking forward to seeing how you get on with this. Courageous at 13 to take on a project which will need a lot of kitbuilding and scratchbuilding. Which scale/gauge combination are you planning to use?

     

    I guess that Ordnance Survey produced maps of Ireland before partition. So they may be available through the National Library of Scotland site. But there will certainly be some Irish source available as well.

    cooley_boy

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    Certainly ambitious. You don't mention scale but, assuming 4mm, this is going to need a lot of space to look right, at least 50' of visible track length. Worth considering making it as a circular layout with fiddle yards as an inner loop (see, for instance, Star Lane Hooley on RMWeb).

    postman23

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    Have you seen gizmo's thread? He has not managed to fit Northgate into a very large railway room - and he's working in 4mm.

     

    But I think you could base a model more closely on Northgate so long as you add a fictitious road overbridge by way of scenic break. It should not take up any more space than Buxton.

     

    Hadfield is an interesting and compact GC terminus.

    Joseph_Pestell

    Posted

    Some detailed design work is already going on for the first turnouts and I have been doing some more basic work on the rest of the first phase.

    A6 Turnouts (LH/RH)                               : 1078mm / 42"

    A6 Y turnout                                            : 2340mm / 92"

    A6 Single slip                                          : 914mm / 36"

    A6 Double slip                                         : 914mm / 36"

    A6 Curved turnouts (LH/RH)                  : 2385mm & 781mm / 94" & 30"

    B8 Turnouts (LH/RH)                              : 2002mm / 78"

     

    Joseph_Pestell

    Posted

    Well, I go away for a few weeks (work not play) and come back to find that Peco have at last been moved to bring out an 00 track and, even more surprising, with BH rail.

     

    I'm not quite sure whether this is a good thing or a bad thing for my own project.

     

    But, for the time being at least, we are pressing on. Design work is progressing and we should have some 3D-printed protos available within the next few weeks.

     

    Meantime, while the draughtsman does his stuff, I have been working out a system of product references and a provisional timetable for the various items. I would publish that here but the blogs don't seem to have a facility for attachments. Maybe, I will post a list here of the early items for which I have a target date.

     

    I am minded now to offer the pointwork in three variants:

    Basic kit (SMP-style where the modeller files pointblades and crossings);

    Easi kit (with pointblades and crossings prepared);

    Ready-to-lay

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    Joseph_Pestell

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    When we get to the packaging/catalogue stage, I am sure that we will put radius info there as well as the crossing angle. It's important to those with kitbuilt locos. The exact radius depends on the type of switch used but an A6 works out at around 3'7", a B6 slightly larger.

    It will be interesting to see if there will be a strong demand for something tighter: A5 or A4.5 even.

    gromitdog

    Posted

    So far as I can make out, your overall dimensions are 12' x 8'. In 00 that is quite limiting in terms of the wide curves etc that you want and you certainly won't fit in a major junction like Horsted Keynes. But there are some stations  that could be reasonably represented in that space. That includes some (e.g. Eridge, Oxted, Arundel) that operated as junction stations but with the junction itself at another location.

     

    Another limiting factor is that lifting flap. With hinges arranged like that, you can not have any scenery on that board or the one next to it and you would probably not want the hidden sidings going across it either.

     

    The Southern is rather varied with each Division having kept much of the character of its pre-group company. Does the collection of stock (and buildings?) that you have so far show a bias to one of the Divisions. Electrification?

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