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Doing some parallel research on Support Coaches at the moment and since posting have cobbled together the following very rough notes which would be useful here, taken from photos and a blog post from the Friends of the NRM, as well as the RHRP carriage survey: 99953/35468: *Acquired by NRM ~1990 *Painted an approximation of GWR livery 1990-1995, National Railway Museum lettering *Painted Maroon 1996, National Railway Museum lettering. It ran in Ch/C with a few locomotives including 4771 and 46229 before the maroon repaint.

I'm a little late to the thread sorry mate, but an answer for you: Between March 1974 and December 1977 is when the tender was painted Blue and Grey and used behind 4472. However, it only was like this for a very small number of trips, as noted below in this Flickr shot's description. The last use is per Newbryford's post. Clicking on the photos will take you to Flickr Of note is the earlier up-thread shot is March 1974, confirmed by finding the photo on Flickr. Given the date and condition, I daresay the 08 is shunting both the second tender and the administration (support) coach out of the paint shop, in brand new fresh paint. I hope this helps, even if a little belatedly.

It does appear to be a new issue of 39-000U, but on the current updated tooling including deletion of end steps. Incidentally does anyone know when the switch from Chocolate/Cream to Maroon occured? What would be nice is following this, is a model of the previous vehicle as mentioned above, 99950 which was branded "Friends of the National Railway Museum" externally. Perfect for a number of 80s railtours including with 46229, 3440, 4771, 4468 and some others.

Seeing as I have not seen a thread on this and the pre-order expires today, I thought I'd pop this up: https://www.locomotionmodels.com/exclusives/future-releases/nrm-mk1-support-coach-no-99953/nrm-mk1-support-coach-no-99953 From the email: New Exclusive OO-Gauge Model Announcement! Produced exclusively for Locomotion Models by Bachmann, we are delighted to introduce the latest addition to the National Collection in Miniature, the National Railway Museum Support Coach, No.99953. You can pre-order your National Railway Museum Support Coach No.99953 in miniature today, with models expected to arrive in late May this year. Our NRM Support Coach retails at £59.95, but for a limited time only, enjoy 15% off RRP as an exclusive launch offer. Don't miss out! Offer ends 1 April 2024, 16:00 The Support Coaches of the National Railway Museum: When the National Railway Museum (NRM) opened in 1975, Green Arrow and Evening Star were still used for steam operations, usually operating only short journeys. However, when the Settle and Carlisle line reopened for steam services in 1978, the NRM’s Green Arrow worked the first steam hauled train over the route in almost a decade. Going forwards, operating longer journeys meant it would be necessary to accommodate the NRM crew in a permanent vehicle accompanying the engines. In December 1979, on a journey celebrating the centenary of railway catering, Green Arrow was used to haul a run around the Harrogate Circle. On the trip, the former LNWR/LMS Royal Train Brake 1st, No. 5155, which was part of the National Collection, provided onboard staff accommodation and cooking facilities. No.5155 was used by Duchess of Hamilton, following the locomotive’s return to service in 1980, and then used for longer trips around the country until it was withdrawn from service in 1983. Once 5155 was removed from service, the Friends of the National Railway Museum (FNRM) took the lead in sourcing a replacement vehicle for the operational crews. They acquired No.E35362 which completed a test run in December 1983, and two days later, the support vehicle made its first accompanying journey on a Cumbrian Mountain Express service to Carlisle. Though suitable however, the coach did lack some useful features, most notably an onboard kitchen. A series of works, funded by the FNRM then took place. These works saw the removal of one of the compartments, and a kitchen fitted in its place, featuring a full size gas stove with oven, a fridge, cupboards and work tops. To complete the work, the coach was repainted from its blue and grey livery to maroon, and it made its first journey, renumbered as No.99950, in 1985. No.99950 was no longer used from 1990, but thanks to its success, a similarly adapted vehicle was acquired by the National Railway Museum, No.99953. Originally painted in GWR Chocolate and Cream, the NRM’s support coach is still in traffic today. Now in maroon livery, the support coach can be seen on rail tours across the country, most recently seen accompanying Flying Scotsman on its centenary tours.

Just whilst I happen to be here with the green book open checking notes on 7027 to see if it's suitable for a friend, going by Locomotives of the LNER Part 8A the grease lubrication to the rods and big end occurred in September 1931, as to removal the book only states "Later all 5* engines reverted to normal." The vacuum ejector and associated piping was what was fitted in 1936, noted as being done so 7/36. Hopefully some help for those looking to date the model a little better, and in no way trying to be accusatory of forgetting info. *7044/7045/7046/7049 noted as being so fitted in 1934.

Anyone want a miscoded, misidentified, different era A4? At least the colour is right! https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/394555126934

The one that has me most curious is the Cadbury liveried pair (nice to see subtle differences between the pair as well!). Roughly which period does this variation of Cadbury's livery cover, and what traffic were they found in?

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It more comes down to the old adage of waiting for a bus then two coming along at once. The Accurascale one was not a duplication as it was a complete, brand new tooling compared to the now quite dated Hornby tooling. Retooling an existing but quite dated model and offering combinations/details never before done is no bad thing. The reason it is seen as an issue now is that we have models competing where they don't need to be at all. The Accurascale Class 31 was announced two years ago, to the month, at Model Rail Scotland 2022. These are now only months away from hitting the shelves. Suddenly, Bachmann pops up with their model after two years. The frustration stems from the fact that this is two years where Bachmann could have chosen to come out, reveal their hand, even go "We're choosing to walk away from this due to the duplication in the market"-which, yes, would see money lost. But that's also business. Meanwhile, several Bachmann diesels that are not duplications and are very tired old models get at best patchwork updates, despite known flawed areas. I'm not saying Bachmann shouldn't go ahead with these. But it is not the first recent duplication in their diesels either.

I agree with you that they should be authentic where possible, and also accept that this is not always possible. I also say this without having the research work to hand that would have been available to both Heljan and Rails whilst doing the project, but I believe amongst other things the engines differed in RPMs which would be noticeable at full power, and be remappable in theory with modern sound editing.

It would be interesting to hear the difference between the sound projects, as to my ears the one being offered directly by Rails of Sheffield sounds like a remapped 18000 file in that video, not much different in startup and main turbine sound. In fact after having just typed that, I went and pulled up a startup video I had taken of 18000, synced the start times of the compressor, and they are the exact same startup and turbine sounds as each other. I know it's being a little picky, but some variance between the pair would've been nice.

A belated note on the green on 3801. This is the same shade as worn in the mid-1940s after the period in Nurse Grey, and was mixed from samples found during the restoration along with archival paint chips and samples. A LOT of work was put into getting the green right to once and for all end the endless array of greens it has worn since the early 1960s. A good note on all the differences it has had between 1986 and 2006 can be found at the included link: https://eastcoastheritagerail.com.au/past-fleet/ It is "Special Green", although a little fun fact it is now in the Dulux system, and could be ordered in Two-Pack as 3801 Green by anyone wishing to do so.

Brings a new meaning to the name of 67002... And coming slightly back to topic, I do find it interesting the notes about the packs selling out in order. I went Pack C for myself for number reasons of 28, and purchased two more for a friend. When we went selecting originally, pack A was sold out so it was to be B/D, B/E, or D/E for them. However, as pack A was in stock, this led to A/B along with my C. So we unwillingly fell into the trap!

Just to show that there's still some fun to be had. I purchased a second hand Katie a little while back which needed some minor work, and intended to keep it just as a nice little thing to have (the works number is my old suburb). However, plans changed and I sold it to a very good friend of mine who used to work at the Port Kembla steelworks, where there was 3 around. One with the Public Works Department, one over the line with John Lysaghts, and Australian Iron and Steel's own Alison. He chose to recreate Alison due to his memories of the real thing, and has just pretty much finished up the works to the locomotive bar some minor paint adjustments, and some new nameplates being etched up in the correct style. The biggest job to do was to rebuild the cab to a completely different style, as per what the locomotive was modified to in service. The real locomotive survives at the Richmond Vale Railway museum, having not long been cosmetically tidied up. Alison will soon be joined by a Dapol Hawthorn Leslie "Wallaby", and possibly some other steam locomotives to join his steelworks fleet. The English Electric diesel fleet he has WELL covered. He has also built the coal hoppers that ran in the work from scratch, seen here with Katie before kitbashing.

That email quite honestly reads like a late night TV sales ad. Full marks for the money towards the Railway Benefit Fund-I don't think anyone can knock them for that-but this literally reads like a desperate attempt to shift a fictional batch of an obscure prototype that is not selling that well.