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Keith Turbutt

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  1. Hi Tony, I've been following the discussion on the 'Muckey Duck' ( as I knew them) and the relationship between the cab roof and the tender cab. The discussion so far appears to concentrate on the tender. However, I have been drawn to how the loco body on the model 'sits' in/on the frames. There appears to be a gap between the bottom of the firebox and the frame below it. I think the firebox should sit 'snugly' on the top of the frames. Also the AWS battery box seems to be a bit low in relation to the cab side sheet also resulting in a gap. I wonder therefore if there is something
  2. Re sorting out the 'curve of the roof profile', I don't think anyone has yet mentioned the Kirk roofs that were supplied with the Gresley 'shorties' - the 52'6" coaches built for the GE lines. These roofs have a different, and I believe improved profile, better shaped domed ends and are shallower by about 1.2mm. With two of the shortie roofs it would be possible to 'cut and shut' a roof to fit the 61'6" coach. There would be enough roof left over of the 'sacrificed' roof to make more 'cut and shut' roofs. These roofs are currently listed on Wizard Models as 'C10A: LNER Gresley 52’6″ Gangw
  3. Bill, Rail-Online has a photo of 63738, an 04/8. The view is looking into the cab from the tender. There is a good view of the backhead and confirms that bucket seats were fitted. Unfortunately the driver's seat is occupied so it is not possible to see the reverser. As the O4/8 shared cab and boiler with the 01, I would think it reasonable to assume the cab fittings and backhead were the same. Keith
  4. Hi Bucoops I visited Mangapps on Saturday which was their last open day of the season. It was extremely windy but there was a lot to see and most of the stock is now under cover. I took a few photos of the coach buffers you referred to. I'm not sure if they are too late for your project but here they are anyway A detail that I hadn't noticed before was the wooden blocks for stowing the collars when not in use. Each wooden block has a hook at the top and the collar has a hole to pass over the hook. I'm not sure if the later Gresley coaches had the same featu
  5. Hi Richard, Good to see you are finding the time to do some modelling now you're back at work. I look forward to when we can give these coaches a run on the track in the garage. Monday afternoon's meeting was well attended but your presence was missed as you seem to be the only one doing anything. I hope we can carry on with our afternoon meetings in the garden for a few more weeks, weather permitting. The latest virus news is not encouraging so retreating back into the garage may be a problem if the situation continues to deteriorate. Bye the way, I cu
  6. Richard Bring them along tomorrow and we'll take a look. I presume your reference to height is in connection with the clamps. I don't think they will bruise the metal as they will only be pressing down on the former which is presumably the correct shape already. Height shouldn't be a problem for rolling the side edges and you shouldn't need the clamps for rolling the main part of the roof. Cutting to length might be done before rolling? Keith
  7. Richard, If you have some small G clamps, clamp the brass onto the wood at each end. Then on a dense rubber mat or similar roll each side on the matt in the same way as you might make any bend in brass. I don't think double sided tape would work and sounds a bit messy and may distort the brass when you try to remove it. This should sort out the sides . Then remove the clamps and use a round bit of pipe/broom handle of suitable diameter to gently shape the top of the roof on the mat. Cheers Keith PS I have some small clamps but Jim may have some better ones.
  8. Yes, I think we are getting confused because the information gathered is from different dates. I agree the drawing appears to be later ie not 'as built' and the corridor connection may well have been added later. The heading on the drawing 'built by Cravens 1899' may have merely been a way of describing the coach - not necessarily showing it 'as built'. Does the handwritten crossing say 'condemned vans 1935' ? You say above 'Also that end of the first train leaving marylebone is not the right type of carriage. It is close but the three not two compartment version'. As you are
  9. Hi Richard, That second photo is a great find, where did you get it. It seems to be some sort of event judging by all those top hats and everyone gathered round, It looks like Marylebone? Is that the 3 coach clerestory dining set you are building? Coming back to the brake ends, there is certainly no corridor connection at the flat brake end. By zooming in you can just make out the footsteps coming up from both sides forming a triangular arrangement with one step at the top in the centre - no room for a corridor connection. Could this mean all brake ends were without corridor c
  10. Richard, Further to our discussions about windows in the ends of the brakes, in a conversation with Jim this morning he said that the Midland often had curving handrails for access to the roof over rear windows in the brakes , so it is quite possible that this was the case in the photos you showed me yesterday. Looking at the drawings in Historic Carriage Drawings, LMS and Constituents by David Jenkinson there are several examples of this. Yesterday I was concerned about the placing of the footsteps with these handrails where there was a window but the drawings clearly show tha
  11. Yes Clive, As Richard has already said, we are holding our meetings in the garden in the open but running trains which can be viewed with the double doors open at the back of the garage. This works ok while the weather permits. We're looking forward to seeing what Richard is going to bring next week. Hope you can join us sometime. You will recognize the faces in the picture below which was taken the previous week before the schools broke up so Richard wasn't there. Cheers Keith
  12. Hi Richard, Great to see you yesterday and to see what you've achieved. I've made this short video on Youtube - a first for me!! It's taken me all morning so I hope it's worth it. Cheers Keith
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