Haymarket47

January 3

Thanks @WIMorrison. I deleted the app and reinstalled- it is now connecting. I wonder if it was to do with a previous security update on the IPad?

Now have to figure out how to get the layouts back in that I emailed to myself🤣.

Cheers

Alan

January 3

1 hour ago, WIMorrison said:

I assume that the phone is using the same settings, if not then you need to use the same address as shown in the phone.

if the phones is the same then I would suggest deleting the app, restarting the iPad and then reinstalling the app. You may also want to consider resetting the router back to defaults,

I am only guessing though as I have never seen or heard of an issue like this before.

The only difference I can see is shown on the WiFi settings on the phone as follows. On the phone this setting end in 102 whilst on the IPad it ends as 101? My knowledge of wireless tech doesn’t make me any of the wiser as to whether or not this is correct or significant?

Sorry!

January 3

1 hour ago, flockandroll said:

If it's any help, something similar seemed to happen to me. Completely shutting down my phone, then turning it on again fixed it. Sorry if you have already tried this.

Thank you @flockandroll but that didn’t solve the issue.

January 3

31 minutes ago, WIMorrison said:

Check you have the correct address for the Z21 in the app - it should be 192.168.0.111

This is the address. Router has not been altered from original settings.

January 3

7 minutes ago, WIMorrison said:

reconnect he iPad to the router (I assume it is the router supplied with the Z21)

Hi Iain and thanks for your reply.

Yes, it’s the original router. In the WiFi settings area on the Ipad it is showing that the Ipad is connected to the router (albeit that it says there is no internet connection which is of course expected). I have disconnected and reconnected this on several occasions and the IPad seems to find the router without issue each time. It’s when I open the Z 21 app it seems to think there is no connection. I tried going into the Z21 app settings area and hitting the reconnect button to ensure that the correct address was set but it always gives the “no internet connection” error.

I’m unsure as to why the App thinks it is not connected to the WiFi?

January 3

Hi Due to work I haven’t been able to use my Z21 for some time. Today I was able to test some new Christmas locos and was able to connect my phone - IPhone 11 - and it worked fine. However, my Ipad would not connect.

It was showing as connected to the router in the Settings area for WiFi but in the Z21 app there was no blue line and a a pop up error saying “Network Error”. I went to the Z21 app setting to reconnect but same message appeared.

Given that the phone is working and I’m able to use the app successfully on said phone it’s clearly something to do with the IPad. Does anyone recognise this issue or have any suggestions?

Many thanks

January 2

On 01/01/2024 at 18:29, teletougos said:

Agree their website is an overcomplicated mess. Wonder if there are conflicting intentions within the company, with some maybe aiming to try to get rid of a lot of unwanted OO stock?

As that is what you're presented with, when trying to search for *TT related* magazines, updates and so on.

Is it, IDK, desperation?

Desperation, really?I think you’ve over egged that pudding 😂🤣

May 28, 2023

On 25/05/2023 at 03:55, kevinlms said:

That's a personal choice thing - to not want a mobile. I don't recall anyone seriously suggesting that mobiles are compulsory.

I took a long time to actually use the internet feature on my mobile, but wouldn't be without it. Never interested in games, which I see Bluetooth operation of model railways as.

I don’t understand this games comment. It’s still controlling a toy train at the end if the day.

April 22, 2023

On 08/04/2023 at 06:50, wappinghigh said:

Ok, so what are we to make of Hornby's new HM7000 Bluetooth compatible control/range?

As the title suggests, over the years on my layout I have moved from DC to DCC (Railmaster/E-Link) to a Digitrax DCS52 controller which I manually use/throttle at the same time I am using JMRI running on my macbook pro

So what are we to make of where Hornby wishes the HM7000 to "take us"?

What I have discovered so far

1/ The E-link is not compatible with the HM7040 "Dongle". There is no plug in the unit to connect the dongle to it... So Hornby?.. basically am I supposed to ditch this and throw it in the bin?

2/ I love My Digitrax DCS52. It's been problem free and the throttle is fun to use.. I think I have a connection point for the new Hornby dongle.. but wait.. best to check the communication protocol you might ask! Yep not compatible!!! (It's loconet not XpressNet!) So Hornby am I now supposed to ditch my DCS52?!!!

3/ I like using JMRI. So how does Hornby's HM7000 interface with that? Will it ever? Is there a way? So Hornby am I supposed to ditch all the time and effort setting up JMRI (just to control yr new bluetooth DCC chips .just because you think it's the best thing since sliced bread and is going to "revolutionise DCC control"? )

Is it only me who thinks this is yet another attempt by Hornby to "wrestle control" of our layouts (think their railmaster/e-link marketing spin).. only that yet again this will fail because it tries to lock us down to their ecosystem (it;s not open source)?

Why am I starting to think the HM7000 is just for glorified train sets or to entice people back into the hobby with cool marketing spin like "Bluetooth control".. and that it will all end in tears??

Comments welcome (and any help with interfacing HM7000 into my setup)

Cheers!

Nobody is forcing you to buy Hornby decoders - other makes are and always will be available 😂

On 08/04/2023 at 22:24, wappinghigh said:

Thanks for all the help

I am not on a rant BTW- I am just tired of Hornby not supporting even it's own legacy systems...

And thinking they and only they have all the answers to train and layout control..

That is what they have been implying with the new HM7000 release..

I've watched all the marketing vids..

I mean not supporting Railmaster?

Not supporting JMRI (properly)?

Come on..

Just because it's bluetooth...

Do they seriously think without doing this the HM7000 system is going to be the future platform?

(just MO)

It’s not possible to support all legacy systems all the time.

April 13, 2023

1 hour ago, nightstar.train said:

Is it just the DT that hums? Have you chipped it? It’s common for DC models with lights to hum when on a DCC track.

Hi, not yet chipped. As far as I can tell it’s just the DT.

April 13, 2023

On 13/03/2023 at 14:01, Br60066 said:

Has anyone else noticed a hum coming from the CS coaches when sat on powered track (DCC)? It comes from all of my coaches so doesn't seem like an individual fault. Seems to be coming from the stayalive charge circuit since as soon as you cut power, the lights stay on but the hum goes away. Just wondering if anyone has found a fix for this? When you have a decent rake on track you do notice the noise.

For various reasons just got my set on track for the first time today and I’ve got the same problem. Driving trailer hums on DCC but not on DC. Did you manage to get a fix for this issue?

thanks

February 11, 2023

52 minutes ago, frobisher said:

But reasoned lacking evidence to the contrary ;)

Regardless, the choices revealed by Hornby were sufficient to shut down that path for Heljan, at least for now.

Yes, it was disappointing to hear that they had pulled out all the same.

February 11, 2023

46 minutes ago, frobisher said:

Certainly nothing in the current 00 range... So if there is any it's from a standing start OR an aborted project. But if the J94 had been aborted because of the DJM model, I'd have expected that to have reared it's head again much sooner than this, and in 00...

So, in summary you’re speculating.

February 11, 2023

18 minutes ago, frobisher said:

It's maybe a little cycnical, but to manage to pre-announce all three of Heljan's targets as well AFTER Heljan had announced their intentions, and only showing any development evidence of one of those...

That said, the 08 was always a poorer choice for Heljan - It's required for trainsets, Hornby were going to make one as a matter of priority. The 31 was a good even bet, especially as Hornby hadn't been showing any particular attention to their 00 model. The Austerity though is a model that Hornby don't currently have modern CAD/research for, and previously seen no intention of updating in 00. THAT'S the suspicious response.

But Heljan had announced their price point for the 31, and it's likely they would have been trying to compete with a premium model verses what ever Hornby was producing. If I were Heljan I would be sitting back and sees what happens with Hornby before taking another stab. They'll know damn fine what stage of development Hornby was at (at range launch) with the 31 compared to theirs when the Hornby one finally hits the market. At that point they'll know when they can safely announce product should they wish to.

Heljan were at a reasonably advanced CAD stage with the 31, and as has been pointed out repeatedly (mostly by Hornby), you can't just translate CAD between the scales automagically but existing CAD can form a starting point. Heljan had sunk costs in what they had done, and weren't wanting to throw good money after bad in an emerging market.

Your suggestion was that they should sink similar costs into trying to produce a LOWER priced product than the one Hornby had pre-announced, when they had previously been working towards a HIGHER price point than Hornby was aiming at...

At this point in the game, we really don't need competition on models you need to grow the range of what is available.

I can see Heljan coming back for another bite at things, just not for a while, along with other potentially interested parties who are looking to see what Hornby actually delivers and how quickly.

You don't have working mechanisms until you manufacture them... And for modern manufacturing these are bespoke to each model...

Interested to know how you know that Hornby don’t have any CAD/research for the Austerity🤷🏻‍♂️

February 11, 2023

1 minute ago, frobisher said:

That's a little unfair; They'd certainly put a significant amount of R&D cost into the exercise given what they'd shown. But they were gazundered significantly by Hornby. The Hornby price points are likley 2/3 or less of that aimed at by Heljan (which probably indicated a difference of the "finesse" of the Heljan vs Hornby approach), and you'd be a fool to announce any speculative products until it is clear how quickly Hornby are shipping theirs if it could suddenly be another thing that "they were working on".

I could be wrong.but I’m sure Hornby have had this project in the pipeline for a number of years. With this in mind I think it’s unlikely that they attempted to gazump Heljan in this regard - despite their recent efforts 🤦‍♂️Duplication is a much discussed topic but recent examples include Bachmann 55s and also Class 37’s compared to Accurascale. Punters make the choice at the end of the day. Maybe Heljan could have done an Accurascale and produced a cracking model at a reasonable price and given Hornby some competition? Just a thought…

February 11, 2023

5 hours ago, Ron Ron Ron said:

Well, he did say he'd discuss the 2 aspects, the models and set, followed by the marketing aspects.

From what he found, as far as the actual product was concerned, justified a negative review IMHO.

Quality control and some design aspects do appear to be quite poor, even if the models are nicely finished.

These problems are echoed here on RMweb, in the adjacent thread covering this set.

Whether it's due to early production issues, or sloppy design and QC is another matter.

Charlie has spent his own money on this set and I think is justifiably less than enamoured with the quality of the product.

I can't find any fault with that comment.

Of course we should expect that standard, at the very least.

I don't think he went out of his way to discover the glaring issues with this set.

He may have spent a little more time with his positive remarks about the finish of the models, but I agree with his position that the positive aspects should be taken as read in this day and age.

Hence the "...blow hot air..." comment.

There's no need to overplay how good the models look or are finished. That should be expected.

As for the 2nd part of the review, it appeared more of a question about this whole venture and Charlie read out two of the many messages he'd received from other modellers.

He was entitled to give his own perspective...at the present moment in time....and appeared to be quite open minded about how this will all evolve and turn out.

The percentages thing was a bit naff though.

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Charlie has 350 plus patreons. Given that the lowest tier is £2 a shot he’s coining in way more than the cost of a TT120 set. For me the original poster here is spot on. I was very surprised by this video and the inconsistencies within. He pointed out that it was a train set then criticises the quality of the coaches. The price of this set could not justify 3 expensive coaches. As for his commentary on the market share that was just fantasy stuff.

January 11, 2023

Apologies if this is posted in the wrong place. I am right in thinking that these new Hornby Bluetooth decoders can not be controlled by computer controlled software such as Itrain etc?

January 10, 2023

7 hours ago, daltonparva said:

Not so. I have an ECoS, and have 2 separate free apps on my Android phone and tablet:- ECoS Controller and RtDrive ECoS. Didn't have to spend a penny for wireless control.

You spent a lot of money on the ECoS though 😉

December 28, 2022

17 minutes ago, Hobb0 said:

oo scale , turnouts control by dcc, computer control with railcom nice, mobile phone / iPad connection if poss.

May answer a few questions. Would prefer non US system .

many thx for all the replies and I will research each one u good folk say.

Price is not a consideration as I want a good system that can help me expand my rail.

if it’s got its own screen (poss colour) even better.

Z21 it is then 😉

November 26, 2022

15 minutes ago, letterspider said:

It isn't just about the sale, it is the resale. I am happy to pay out for a top quality diesel or electric model from Bachmann or Accurascale because I am confident I can get a good resale value if I want to sell it later on. It is likely to still be desirable and working and buyers on the second hand market can be confident.

Hornby Class 60 and 08 super details for example got me back into the hobby after many years. What has gone wrong since then we can see with the recent APT (a flagship model on the front of the catalogue) which although looking really good and a very desirable model - it has pantographs that cannot be positioned or just falls apart, a power car that cannot cope with gradients or curves very well, if at all, an overheating capacitor which melts the bodywork and a body shell which cannot readily accommodate a DCC chip.

I wonder what kind of reception that model would have received if Hornby had completed the design and production with the same finesse they have shown in their advertising - we would be too busy throwing our money at them to bother to check our overdrafts.

This is a fair point. The super detailed locos like the 60 were excellent. Their quality issues do seem to be more prevalent although other companies have had issues too - light bleed on 66s, chains and axle boxes falling off as locos become ever more detailed However, Hornby have recently produced some cracking locos too such as the Pecketts. It’s the inconsistency of it all that is frustrating. I really want all the companies to do well and hopefully general standards will benefit in the long term.

November 26, 2022

3 hours ago, wombatofludham said:

I don't.

3 hours ago, wombatofludham said:

No I won't.

My frustration with Hornby is based on their poor attitude to those who prefer to model non-steam outline, or for whom steam is a minority interest, plus their constant chopping and changing of their support for their retailers. Simon Kohler let the cat out of the bag when he spontaneously announced that he thought 2steam has more charisma" in the last product launch video which should have been a chance for them to tackle critics like me who have berated them for being lackadaisical towards the growing non-steam market, having made some serious investment in new and revamped non-steam models. As a company their first duty is to their shareholders and investors, and targeting the steam collector grey pound has been a sensible move for them, but that market will diminish over time, which is probably why they have taken the brave decision to try and create a whole new market in TT because they know their once quite respectable position with the non-steam market has taken a hit with new "disruptor" companies picking off their range whilst they played out the steam market.

I will continue to criticise Hornby where they deserve it, I'm not alone and if you don't like Hornby to be criticised then I suggest you use the hide function.

So to sum up you’re unhappy with Hornby as they don’t do diesels to your preference. I’m sure investors will be keeping an eye on the company. With so much business nous you should maybe offer yourself up as a consultant. Like you suggest to the other forum member you could just ignore them rather than spend all that negative energy criticising the company. Seems a bit of a waste of time since you don’t buy anything from them anyways 🤷🏼‍♂️

November 25, 2022

15 minutes ago, SHMD said:

..it's more about their business practices.

Let's just say it - they treat their distributors like... well, not business partners shall we say.

Hornby make the "trade" jump through very expensive hoops so that they can still trade but then "pull" all the good stuff back - disappointing many in the process - if it looks like it might "be an in demand model" and make it full RRP online only.

Whilst all the time pushing online only sales.

Why on earth would you trade with H - because the shops "need to" even knowing the future.

...but H wont say this. Just smiley faces....

Kev.

Fair point, given the support the model shops have provided Hornby with in the past. All I would say that there seems to be a growing trend towards brands selling direct to customers. I used my local model shop regularly and I must say I enjoyed going in and just buying a model on impulse. You could look at it and get a feel for it’s quality. Now you have to order many models in advance and they never reach the shops.

November 25, 2022

2 minutes ago, frobisher said:

Hornby do seem to have a habit of announcing the same product just after another manufacturer has announced it, who then backs down because of the juggernaut that is Hornby isn't going to back down and then Hornby deliver something that maybe doesn't fulfill expectations (perhaps because it was rushed to market). Hornby's somewhat predatory approach leaves something of a bad smell.

Yes, can’t disagree with aspects of your post but it’s a market and they have every right to produce what they deem appropriate. Regarding whether the quality is there or not - again the market will decide. Given the time it takes to get product to market these days I would hazard a guess that they were probably already in planning/ production - thinking about the Terriers here. Were they bad models? Admittedly they made a massive error re the Titfield/Rapido debacle - but again isn’t their “Lion” a decent loco? Also, I don’t hear a lot of moaning about Accuracscale doing 37s despite Bachmann producing, in my opinion, a cracking model. I just think people should be more measured and less hypocritical. But I suppose it’s all about perceptions and opinions….

November 25, 2022

1 hour ago, CUCKOO LINE said:

And then you could watch the Hornby announcements following !

I don’t understand all the hate/sarcasm, however you want to dress it up, aimed at Hornby. They are not the only manufacturer that copy others eg Accurascale produce models that Bachmann do eg class 37 Is there not a bit of hypocrisy at play here? Also I really couldn’t give a squirrels nutty fart if one company copies another - it’s their choice even though you might not like it. Ultimately the market will decide! Just saying……

November 24, 2022

1 hour ago, frobisher said:

From everything we've seen of the TT CAD and prototypes, Hornby are very much going down the "Design Clever" route which may well reduce the tooling complexity and hence cost, plus reducing the number of parts as well. They've also clearly reused the Corgi A4 body mouldings at the very least, but the immense commonality between the A1/3 and A4 will also help to reduce costs.

But the video they put out in YouTube clearly states they are going for high fidelity so not sure where you get this info from.

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