Lord of Narnia
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You might need to make the transfers as I don’t know anyone who makes them. The modern ones have blue numbering so it’s not too difficult to produce. You could look for generic numbers and adept them.
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23 hours ago, t-b-g said:
Lovely stuff. Although not a big LT enthusiast, I have been helping g a friend finish some ancient Harrow Model Shop carriages to go with the kit built electric he built many years ago. I ended up hand lettering (not my greatest skill) the carriages as the transfers supplied with the kit were pretty poor.
The lettering on the ones illustrated is much better. Are the transfers used still available and where might I obtain some please? They would be an improvement on my efforts.
Modelmaster used to do them. Not sure what’s going on with them. Found some on Fox transfers website. They are for buses but might well work ok.
https://www.fox-transfers.co.uk/transfers/fleet-name-london-transport
https://www.fox-transfers.co.uk/transfers/white-fleet-number-set-stl-g-d-b-rt-srt-plus-pairs-101-200
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The T stock of MW/MV stock as it was originally known as was varnished teak when new. The T stock had a mixture of cars some were steel panelled (the six 1927 MW motors, five 1929 trailers [both types with mouldings] and all the 1931-32 cars which were totally plan) and others were teak. It was the case that all the lower panels were steel (a requirement from the early days of electrification) so the teak was stippled here. There were off course a few ex steam stock coaches converted into T stock.
The later 1931-32 cars were crimson I believe but it that is not clear on the old black and white photos.
I do think that once the LPTB took over many of the Met’s teak cars were painted light brown. This was after some experiments in the late 1930s with alternative liveries on the Steam stock cars which were by all accounts unsuccessful!
The lighter brown gave way in the later 1950s to a darker brown and this included all T stock cars.
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I was going to use piano wire straightened with a vice/drill.
I made up some brass and copper tube masts. I’ll dig out some photos.
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I was surprised a few years ago to see such a modern bogie on the vehicle at the LTM. See the attached photo taken from the museum’s site.
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I’ll see if I can find out the latest news on the range.
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I was looking to go down the Copydex route with natural stone (wife is badly allergic to nuts so Woodland Scenics is a no no!).
I would be interested to hear experiences with it.
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Yes they are T stock cabs from the Radley models range. The flat one is from the 1929 driving trailer and the angled one is from the 1927 driving motor.
These would be useful if you are looking to convert some up. I have been using the Dapol (ex Airfix) LMS compartments as well as the Garfar coaches as well.
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I have the masters for the 1960 track recording train including the 1973 stock trailer which I must get round to finishing.
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Should be yes. It was to have a resin chassis with all the seating. The body was going to include better and more correct detailing.
hopefully I can get round to finishing it along with the 1923 Cammel Laird trailer too.
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22 hours ago, Jeff Smith said:
Phil's models certainly filled a gap in the LT world and hopefully some can be made available again. My personal interest is obtaining a Standard Stock 1931/4 trailer.
I was working on a revised 1931 trailer for Phil which I still have. It would be up to the same higher standards as the 1926/27 trailer I did for him a few years ago.
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Thanks for the update Arun. I also developed a few 4mm kits for Phil and I am hopeful I will get back some of the masters that never made it to development.
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I believe it is 3D printed.
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7 hours ago, roythebus1 said:
SJP is a sub-surface station so there's no escalators from the platforms to street level.
On the later O/P/Q stock it was not possible, as others have said, to lift the seats. Uner them was a plethora of isolating cocks, the flap with the star hid the brake release valve (the star is still used on main line trains), and "heaters". Lots of things tht worked on 650 volts that you really wanted to go near.
If the Circle train was a District train, the F stock with the flat front and clerestory roof, later to become Q23, had a separate guard's compartment that kids could hide in. This was accessible from the passenger saloon and was shut off when occupied by the guard by putting a bar across the gap that had GUARD ONLY on it. I know what they were like, I worked on them as a guard in 1970 and 1971 when they were withdrawn. The lights would go dim when the train started and would go out when the train went over gaps in the current rails.
The F stock and Q23 stock were different trains. The F stock, or 1920s stock had Oval windows at all ends and three sets of double doors. They had elliptical roofs and slightly raked sides.
The G/Q23 trains that you worked on had a metal screen between the saloon and guard area so was hidden from view. I’ve heard stories that the guards used to enjoy this area as they could have a cheeky smoke there and not be bothered!
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There were 4 1905 driving trailers (originally for their first class but discontinued in 1941) which were not used as such and had their driving controls removed on refurbishment.
The 1906 driving motor car was a late call up as said due to damage during the war.
Regarding the space below the seats I would not have thought that there would be any space below as the new O/P/Q38 stock was designed to be easy to clean and maintain.
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These look good. Wondering whether to can the Radley Models versions which I was working on.
Do they come RTR or as kits?
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Yes that’s what I read. Of course the WT54B traction motors fitted to the Q stock fleet (and also H stock fleet) were quite large pieces of kit, much bigger than the MV motors on the O/P stock which I assume was what the bogies were designed for.
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10 hours ago, roythebus1 said:
I don't see that it would be easy to make trailer bogies into motor bogies. They are different frames for a start.
According to the ‘R Stock Story’ by Piers Connor the A end bogies from the Q38 trailers were used to fit the single motor bogie on each R38 car. I don’t know why the A end bogies differed but it was noted that most Q38 trailers remaining had two D end bogies.
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Another reason the Q38 trailers were designated A and D end was the A end cars had heavier underframes so they could accept the Metadyne machine - all 3 tonnes of it!
In the end there were no new Metadyne conversions but when the Q38 cars were converted to R stock the bogies were mixed around on the remaining Q38 trailers. For reasons I have forgotten it was easier to take to bogies from the same end and fit the motors to these then try a A truck and D truck.
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Also bare in mind that the G stock equipment changed from when it was delivered when it was amended with new traction motors GE69->WT54Bs.
I think the K stock layout was more or less the same.
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The Q stock underframe equipment was all quite similar as they all used the same electromagnetic equipment. I did quite a loot of research when I was helping Phil Radley with his Q stock. There is a contactor bank, grid resistances, air reservoir, auxiliary reservoir, air compressor (probably a Westinghouse CP30) and I think. Voltage regulator. There’ll be batteries too and loads of fuses! I’ll try and dig out photos at some point.
the Q27 all faces east until about 7 were turned and converted to west facing in the 1950s. Most of the Q23 were west facing and the remaining east facing cars were converted to trailers. All Q23 driving motor cars had the guards end windows plated over to install the air door controls. The F stock had the same.
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On 19/03/2023 at 08:42, stewartingram said:
I thought I saw a price of £120 for a 4-car rtr set?
That’s a great price!
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3 hours ago, PhilJ W said:
Did the E class ever venture on to East London line?
I believe it did run a rail tour down there in the 1950s and I think L44 was used?
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Watch out for Ian Huntley’s book it is known to have inaccuracies.
The models look ok. Can anything be done to remove the print lines on the side of the body?
Radley models was about to rerelease the Q27 kit and the Q35 after. If the business continues they will be made available again if there is sufficient demand.
Radley models
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Radley Models has now been acquired by Phoenix Paints.
https://www.phoenix-paints.co.uk/news/metro-models-updateradley-models/metro-models-update
The range won’t be available for a while but further announcements will follow.