Beatty 139

I fully understand as I am the same with AutoCAD!

https://chasewaterrailwaymuseum.blog/category/from-the-archive/About two thirds of the way through the film at the bottom of the page the ex Pitt Rail Aldridge ex 2’ WD planet can been seen, last place I knew it was at Nottingham Sleeper Co but I have no idea where it is now.

Surely it makes no difference as the aim should be for any model to be as accurate as possible and to create a pool of information, this is a public forum that’s searchable so it becomes a record that’s a benefit as a whole. You appear to be going into that silo mentality, I’m a railway historian, preservationist, Modeller, enthusiast and most likely last of all small trader, but I have always helped when I can with information and given back freely to my hobby. I guess that I have no concept of comericialism because I work in scales and gauges where competition doesn’t really occur and the traders are part of ‘hobby’ helping people recreate what they want and not treating them as cash cows or even to be quite honest customers. Just a thought.

Gauge 1 is normally only drips and drabs as a supplier and has a huge following compared to G3 but G3 is very pre-grouping focused as far as I can tell so suits my interests very much. A complete run will at the most is only likely to 10-15 wagons if there is even that much interest.

It’s a kit Development, I have an established range of Gauge 1 kits that are largely an extension of my own G1 hobby but I have been tempted into producing some work in G3, so I am currently producing a range of G3 wagon models to test the market with but wanted to move away from my normal MR/NER and found an excellent contemporary drawing from the Railway Enginner, as ever no photos, so some detail is a little hard to work out, however a few pointers and a study of GER practice and those questions have been largely resolved, or resolved enough that I can confidently deign and build the wagon and see if someone can definitely know better, I’m sure someone will but if it’s only minor amendments it’s not the end of the world. Saying that if there is no interest in the model to go into production it will become one of my own collection.

Out of interest what 3D cad software are you using?

The Paddy survives but is in very poor condition at Chasewater, as far as I’m aware it’s the only surviving ‘ordinary’ LNWR coach.

It’s great to have groups like RMweb though where knowledge can be shared. Most society’s are more than happy to assist members and non members alike in my past experience

I have now got the detail of the door locks, I am aware of the GER society but this is a one off for me, unfortunately the Diagram 5 Cattle Wagon don’t appear to have been very photogenic. My normal modelling is industrial the NER and MR. As I said before I am working in Gauge 3 and at 13.5mm to the foot any missed detail is quite obvious. Fortunately I have an excellent contemporary drawing to work from.

So answers have slowly been coming and making the mists clear. One real question left is how do the top door lock work, the 5 plank continental traffic wagons look like they have the same but no picture I have found clearly shows the arrangement.

I have seen the HMRS drawing and believe it’s been prepared off the period Drawing I am working from, the photo is great as it confirms the end arrangement of lamp irons, you can’t make out the side one on the image. Looking at the photos they appear to have white staining on the first board up at one end I think this confirms how I read the drawing that the lower plank was cut to allow the movable divider to slot into, it’s the HMRS drawing that made me doubt myself as it’s shown in dotted as if hidden detail. Many thanks for that, it’s the trouble in designing for Gauge 3 and 1 every detail counts

The Diagram 5 is the 18’7” large cattle wagon, now I have finished drawing it I actually have 3 questions, the one as above, were the lower body side plank cut out for the partition stops or were they internal and the position of various lamp irons that are shown on the drawing that I am working from originally published in the railway engineer. Thank you for the pointer I will dig out my SR Wagon book for I of W stock and see if that gives me any clues.

I’m just doing some work on a GER Diagram 5 large cattle wagon, going through the drawing I’m working from it appears to show the a ventilation gap 3” deep on the end just above the head stock, so far I can’t find a photo of a Diagram 5 van but it appears from the white staining on poor somewhat distant image that this may be the case but not repaeated on later stock. Does anyone know what GER practice was?

They were specifically built by Cannock and Rugeley colliery in there own wagon shop at Cannock Wood. For the line as the Cannock Chase Collery Van was built at the Plant (CCC No5 pit) both companies had large wagon shops and CCC even built its own loco, Foggo after the second war. Both systems were linked by the line over bleak house and of corse became one after vesting day. Although the CCC system was actually a plarlementry Railway The Cannock Chase and Wolverhampton Railway with its registered offices at Carr’s Lane Birmingham.

As far as I’m aware the van in Littleton livery at Chasewater has never been an NCB vehicle and was painted into livery by the railway, in fact the sand boxes are around the back of the heritage centre but didn’t get refitted as yet. However the railway does have two ex NCB brakes, the Cannock Chase Collery van as mentioned before and the GWR 16Ton AA3 recently restored which is ex Littleton colliery

Unfortunately that’s not a question I know an answer to until I try some and other than solidworks I haven’t and I don’t have a computer at the moment that I would think would run them, as other than one windows 7 machine that has died all my other are on good old reliable XP

It’s time to look for a new desk top, but also time to embrace new technology, although I have been designing on 2D Cad for over 25 years In industry and for my own modelling and my range of laser cut and etched kits, it really is time I embraced the times that are coming. I haven’t decided on what 3D package to work on I have tried Solidworks a few years back and to be honest struggled with it, but as it’s time to get a new PC what I do want to get is the right hardware so I can effectually use whatever 3D cad is out there effectively, I’m also giving serious consideration to an SLA printer so I can print my own patterns for lost wax casting, only small parts such as buffers, axle boxes etc. I would be most greatful if the experts can enlighten me but not in the jargon that my brother in law uses where the words are English but I don’t understand what they mean in a sentence!

I’ve always had a thing for Tyneside EMU’s and have got quite a long way down the line of producing some laser cut 1904 stock. Seeing your comments on moving up to G1 would you be interested in producing the ends in 10mm scale as I think that may be more economic with laser cut sides than trying a whole coach print.

I have produced these in 1/32 scale for a while, just an observation, the span actally isn’t flat but has a slight arch to it, drop me a pm and I I’ll shoot a file over when I get a chance.

Barnum is looking good, nice to see you have the set at the waist rail many people think they are slab sided.

The 1:29 scale is an American import as well it's not G scale 1:22.5 but was used by a number of American manufactures for standard gauge on G1 track for a more impressive model, then we have the Greenly scale of 10mm/1ft (1:30.5) which is the majority of British G1 scratch and kit built models and the true scale of 1:32 for most ready to run and continental G1 so EM, OO etc is a debate well alive in G1 and it's commonly to see all 3 running and not looking that out of place depending on what stock they are running with.

If it's a class 59 it will most likely be 10mm scale (1:30.5) from the Carriage and wagon kit.

It very much is down to painting and finishing, good brickwork should be flat and even but bonding should reflect true life. This one has had a bit of subsidence I think!

Ex 165 DE AEI plate if someone wants some more detail.

That's fantastic thank you very much