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Quite randomly, i've just stumbled across the pre-owned section on Hatton's website and they are certainly some real `jems', including this one. I appreciate they sell for a tidy sum on eBay anyway, but if major retailers are hyper inflating pre-owned stock to these levels, its no wonder the likes of Hornby and Bachmann keep increasing the initial RRP value of models when the second hand market appears to be stronger than the new one in places! Not eBay I know, but still madness in my opinion.

Without doubt the best looking rake of R222 Kellogs Vans from Hornby i've ever seen: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/RAKE-OF-7-Hornby-MODEL-TRAIN-OO-GAUGE-R183-R222-KELLOGGS-LWB-VANS-SMOOTH-RUNNERS-/321619192065?pt=UK_Trains_Railway_Models&hash=item4ae1ff6901

Shrink wrapped for that long that the box has started to collapse on itself! http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Tri-ang-Hornby-R871-LMS-7P-4-6-2-Loco-King-George-VI-Still-factory-sealed-MIB-/400824708833?pt=UK_Trains_Railway_Models&hash=item5d5303aee1 The shrink wrap is only coming undone at the one end, and it doesnt have the cardboard sleeve. What price would you be looking to pay for a completely shrink wrapped cardboard included version that you'll never be able to use?

I have exactly the same problem. My understanding is that its particularly noticeable with NEM couplings. I loaded up my P2 on a scale 1 in 40 with 13 coaches (after initial tests with 7, 9 and 11) - it started to struggle, but still a brilliant performance. That being said, as it crested the hill, the front wheel on the second coach had derailed somewhere at the bottom and was dragging along. This also happened when I bought Hornby's Golden Arrow set +2 coaches - making 8 in all. Got to the top, second/third coach would derail. No matter how I gapped the wheels, or re-arranged the rake, the same still happened. I cured it (with this rake at least) by removing all of the coach weights. The tension on the front couplings is still there, but there isn't such a weight hanging off them now. 13 coaches is too much for my layout anyway, so i'm going to look further, but nice to see it put through its paces. That being said, the angle at which some NEM couplings point is also worth looking into, as I know this has been an issue for me in the past. I kind of fudge it by re-arranging the rake, or couplings within the rake, but i'd be interested to see the behaviour of through piped stock. Would also just like to add my appreciation for the images - I especially like the first one!

Thanks Roy for the update, good to hear you got one safely. I would have bought one on Saturday, but was just a bit short money-wise, hence why I held off until yesterday when I could justify it. I haven't received mine yet, but from what i've read/heard about it I think the price of around £100-£140 is actually pretty good for the model that you get (if anything, I think Hornby may have undersold it). Admittedly, there are a few areas that could be improved on, but I think it would certainly cost most people a great deal more in both time and money to build one from a kit (such as Proscale) and get it to look anywhere near as good. For anyone else interested, six were listed on eBay yesterday: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/R3207-LNER-2-8-2-Cock-O-The-North-P2-Class-INSTOCK-NOW-STOCK-IS-LIMITED-/251648754256?pt=UK_Trains_Railway_Models&hash=item3a976f4250 The price though is a little inflated and probably the most expensive i've seen to date. EDIT: 5 Sold, 1 left.

Thanks for the concern, but the model I bought wasn't from Jadlam - sorry, I probably should have made that clearer. It was from another eBayer who had 100% feedback, as it was 95p cheaper. Either way, i'm hoping it turns out OK after seeing various write-ups on here and elsewhere. The Jadlam ones all now appear to have vanished off eBay - not sure if withdrawn or all sold?

Thanks for the info - must admit I hadn't seen that as i've no real interest in the Sentinel. Could very well be 6i rather than 6 then (mathematically speaking :-) )

Yes but how can a Hornby dealer be showing so much stock yet Hornby themselves are showing out of stock? I appreciate your comments regarding negative feedback, and would suggest that this may very well be the case here - I could imagine 1 or 2 floating around, but not 6. I'd have liked to have bought it from my (not so) local shop, but was told they didn't receive many and are completely sold out. (I think I bought something from Jadlam Racing a couple of years ago. To the best of my knowledge I had no issue with the service provided - maybe standards have slipped recently?). EDIT: Another one listed here (with better feedback): http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/R3207-Hornby-Loco-LNER-Class-P2-Cock-O-The-North-DCC-Ready/311095580442?_trksid=p2047675.c100011.m1850&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20140107083358%26meid%3D098c3c8c9bfe43fca96e32cae0a2958e%26pid%3D100011%26prg%3D20140107083358%26rk%3D2%26rkt%3D10%26sd%3D400774596264

Please forgive me if i've missed something insanely obvious here. I saw four R3207 models listed on eBay on Saturday @ £130.00 including the post and alerted other members to it. Also, there was one for £135.00 which had already sold. There are SIX (yes SIX!) listed on there now for £115.95, see here: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Hornby-Loco-R3207-LNER-Cock-O-The-North-Class-P2-/390932866950?pt=UK_Trains_Railway_Models&hash=item5b056a2786 My question is how on earth are they available on eBay when big name shops don't have them yet (and can't even guarantee orders)? I saw one on this morning for £115.00 all in which I snapped up right away as i'd got a £20 voucher to spend :-).

If its of help to anyone, four have just been listed on eBay @ £130.00 inc post: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Hornby-LATEST-RELEASE-R3207-LNER-P2-CLASS-2-8-2-Cock-O-The-North-/201169821500?pt=UK_Trains_Railway_Models&hash=item2ed6a7df3c

Interesting item to go in with your Hornby/Bachmann catalogues I guess: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/TOM-JONES-TOUR-PROGRAMME-/161418375450?pt=UK_Trains_Railway_Models&hash=item259548f11a

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/O-gauge-Springside-4808-0-4-2-tank-in-GWR-livery-Buy-it-Now-Spares-or-Repair-/181511630054?pt=UK_Trains_Railway_Models&hash=item2a42eface6&nma=true&si=Jk14IyZAybMR325w27aPxafjq%252Bo%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557 A couple of weeks later: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/O-GAUGE-GREAT-WESTERN-14XX-TANK-LOCOMOTIVE-/201166452334?pt=UK_Trains_Railway_Models&hash=item2ed674766e You can still see the join in the boiler!

The King is a poor choice of model for Hornby in my opinion. Admittedly, the existing model has its flaws, but examples can be readily found on eBay for circa £40, even less in some instances - i've bought at least two at that price. The market is reasonably saturated with examples over the years - are people really going to be prepared to pay at least a ton on top of that knowing that the same loco is being released by a competitor? Extremely doubtful if you ask me! Seems like Hornby really does need a new `Researcher'! To have really put the cat amongst the pigeons, Hornby should have certainly looked into a Thompson Pacific. With Bachmann still clambering to release models from circa two years ago, it would have been the perfect complement to the Gresley P2, regardless of which A2 (or even A1) was produced. Not only that, it would have sold perfectly alongside existing Hornby Gresley 61ft 6in models and also forthcoming Bachmann Thompson stock. Yes, its another Eastern pacific, but you only have to look at the market to see the success they bring. In comparison, the King can be complimented with the Castle models, the forthcoming Hall and existing Hawksworth coaches. The market is flooded with Castles, admittedly not new ones, but flooded all the same - many sold cheaply on eBay. Hall's generally dont sell well, with many examples found fairly cheap second hand, with the same said for Hawksworth coaching stock. People will of course be interested in a King, but Hornby should really be looking at the bigger picture - why just sell a loco when you can sell a loco and a rake of coaches to match? All of this coming from someone living a stones throw away from 84A!

I'm guessing this is supposed to be hooked up to a Hornby Elite, or any other DCC control system: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/playstation-driving-wheel-/301300605478?pt=UK_Trains_Railway_Models&hash=item4626ea6226

Sorry about this - I was trying to quote based on the original post, and just clicked reply on your post to use as a template for editing. It seems like it remembered where I got it from though! Yes, but its hardly like the H2 is anywhere near close to appearing on shelves. I'd have just recapped on what hasn't already been released in the hope that people will have forgotten!