Graham456

Did I just read this as flog it on e,bay as I need some portescaps; great as high level and mashinas were ( I haven’t used any since the demise of mashima and don’t know what to use with my high level gearbox on the next loco) I don’t think it’s worth the cost of changing the portescap, it was a stratospheric jump in quality from mw1001 and Romford gears to the porsiscrape as I call them, the jump to mashima and high level is not so large I just miss the bevel gears from. a poriscape as aside all my portiscape still go even the first on I bought for £17.50 new back in the days of it just being Keen. pre maygib days but I have relubed them as the red stuff they come oiled with gets sticky over near fourty years just did a check and I have 14 locos fitted with portiscaps ! At fifty quid a throw second hand quite a hall if I flogged them but then what would it cost to change them ? Something to NOT think about over the Christmas drivel on the box season

Why did I go ya ho ! At this announcement and pictures and wonder if a bit of Jason’s fun nuttiness might mean a blue liveried one could be on the on cards, with the number 7 and maybe a red name plate “Nellie” as a new and improved model, polly or connie if you want a yellow or red version !! boringly perhaps a NER one will do for now for me

Thank you kevinlms i asked for that I suppose ! it is true though the bits swap owners but I never seam to swap anything other than money. for Either, junk, sad cases needing rescuing, more work, but it's all better than watching T V

So not only do you not paint the non existent roof black you don't paint the sides light gray, good job I haven't got one! So I won't worry yet..........bet I see one at a swap meet now!........did any one ever swap something at a swap meet ?

Thankfully 41515 has been more helpful than K's are to you on page 19 is revealed....... L M S shock Absorbing Wagon 7s 6d plus 1s 3D purchase tax ! livery. Light gray, black underframe,and black roof ?????? White lettering,. was that worth the wait ? graham the picture shows a gray inside to the wagon, and you will be surprised at no black roof! On a open with a running number 81103 but I wouldn't rely on that. 41515 build of the wagon shows that very nice wagon can be made from the kit, showing with a bit of care Keyser kit are more than alright.

A Ha ! So that drill was the prototype which was developed into the HP2M your drill was powered by the HP1M ? second K's pannier all ready has new chimney and etched guard rails over the rear cab windows, next to rat around in the junk stash for the forward step that was absent, tut for six quid you thought it would be compleat, !

I know Hayfield said it ran off the rail power but a Feedback controller ! Next your going to suggest a DCC chip ! You Can Not Be Serious ! ................O ! you weren't for this long burnt out drill grinning would funtion F7 release the smoke ? On DCC

Well the blurb and picture for the 14XX don't mention brake gear any more did I but the pannier does.and shows it Now I took the date from the price list because I can't find a date of publication on the actual catalogue only a price of one shilling on the cover printed by trefoil printing co uk going by the condition of both catalogue and price list (like new) the two have been together from new so November 1969. Is a best guess their is a miniature 12volt dc electric hand drill for 32/6d inside on the last page which so generosity comes with ONE no 68 drill WOW ! And a full eighteen inchs of electrical cable, so don't have your transformer to far away! As for soldering it was in its infancy in the 60's, when this catalogue was new I was also in my infancy being seven ! But I doubt if much more than another five years passed before I was soldering, wires together white metal kits not long after I left school

Just aside to. The pannier I bought the other day, I also came away for the grand sum of a pound a K's kits catalogue which I read in bed last night,in the blurb about the pannier saying super detailed cast brake gear,(rarely fitted) with dummy inside motion ??? Well I can't find it on ether of the two pannier loco's I have acquired this month ! did it exist ? Or was it like the brake shoes left off as a fiddle thing ? My catalogue has added separate price list dated Nov 1969 and the original owner has under lined his dream list which about a quarter of them haveing little ticks which I presume mean he bought them, that is for the wagons doesn't look like he had as many locos. At the back on page 36, Driving wheels are advertised now available separately, ready assembled on the axle for nine shillings and four pence a pair ! What good would they be unless your chassis had the key hole slots to take them ? Don't think any other kits came with key hole slots did they ? Non Keysers that is. In the hints and tips section soldering is recommended by being very quick wipe soldering useing a normal iron and solder no mention of low melt ! No wonder if you damage parts you could exchange them is mentioned just above whilst I have used a normal iron on big bits in the past never with full fat solder.

I know ! At Minehead toy fair Fourty five quid bought me a Kemilway 3mt tank loco nicely built apart from the Gloss Finnish, soon let down with a spray of satin on the green and Matt on the smoke box, powered by a keen portescap, All right I found Cris p bacon as a member on here but where does he sell or advertise his chassis ?

Well you never saw the Keyser one at the toy fair, it was in two bits,chassis-body, unpainted (a plus point) needing a awfull lot of T L C and as for lasting longer than a Airfix ? mines done fourty two years easliy, I did buy a branchlines brass gear to replace the plastic one years ago but haven't needed it yet, plenty of life left in the motor brushes yet only half worn down, it's just the plunger pick ups that need care to check they don't stick whilst the K's one probable is older it hasn't been finished yet to wear out, and I don't rate it's chances of ever being finished from the look of it i might be mad but not that nutty

Here I go again, a.couple of weeks ago I surcomed to temptation a bought a K,s pannier which I remotered to get rid of the hp2m, the rest I kept as keysers supplied as it was OK really for its age, all fine and dandy ! Until a visit to Ray Heard's Newton Abbott toy fair where another not needed Keysers pannier waved at me, SIX POUNDS ? Well it had no motor ! But 6 quid...I have only bought another damm one, I only just finished the other one, but this one I will update a bit..........the chimney is poor being undernourished and leaning, a quick test by pressing a bit proved it was glued on, which it no longer is ! Spair box raided for old dizzy Walker casting, eyeing up the mainly trains etch for pannier window guards, but what to do with the chassis,? Do I go mad and blow the expense? Or keep the keyser wheels (D shape axel location) if I fit markits wheels and a decent gearbox this time remember it only cost the price of ONE WHEEL ! Why do I do this to my self ?...........I did pass on the £5 14XX ...I would prefer to tackle a airfix 14XX than a Keyser one as I became very proficient with them working in a model shop back in 1980/81 but I am running out of new plunger pickups keeping mine going from new for fourty years, ...as my old boss is now dead, I can admit yes I did pick the best runner when testing the delivery back then

Jason said Why do second hand kits always have missing instructions? What do they do with them!? Maybe with pre built kits the first owner didn't need reminding of what he been through, and once built didn't think he would need to build it again,? It's only us mad sods who take on sad cases stuck together with badly mixed aradite who might need instructions, but I find that it's usually obitus where the boiler,footplate,tanks and the like go and photos of the real thing sort out the fiddly bits as for unbuilt kits why do people lose instructions? they most likely studied the instructions, over and over, then realised it was beyond them which is why you can buy the kit, the instructions are still on the work bench terrorising them !

Theirs also the posability I am as mad as John was, which is why I didn't notice, I will let you judge at the next staplegrove do !

I don't know what to think about that comment ! having worked for John Baggott for two and a half years just befor it almagated with Kemp models and the shop crossed the road to a different building John seamed normal to me ? Even if he used to exhibit a 009 rabbit warren in later years, Perhaps that says something about me, He also started up the Bristol 4-14 club covering BS4 and BS14 area's which elvolved in to the Bristol Brunel Model Railway Club which organised the show at temple meads old train shed for years even after I left for a better paid job I still went to the now kemp models which John I think was a joint owner with kemp models I did not see a pleather of westward kits on the shelf's, but I do miss the bit's and bobs that are so hard to get now P S John Baggott died last year

Barclay. your coal tank doesn't half show up even in its unfinished state what a improvement the chassis has made to the looks of the body with out the great big slab chassis

Thank you for passing it over personally I thought it was to cheep to resist even it I now have six stars, of the five kit built bargains Hattons sold to me three had double name or number plates, and I refitted Queen Berengaria to a more appropriate star which matched queen berengaria steem pipes,and fittings one of the double plates locos a Keyser 55xx had the smokbox plate 5570 on the buffer beam which when removed part revealed 5546 under a touched up buffer beam which made my mind up in that I them spent a while with cotton buds and white spirit fully revealing the numbering to reattach the plates and renumber the loco back to the original number it was given befor over plating, such fun !

Roy the bus your not helping me with the resistance to temptation I can vaguely your advert but not the details hint hint !

I like what you have done with these old wagons even loading them with reliant trike vans. But your rope lashings scream at me as not right as the body would not be strong enough being only a wooden frame and aluminium panels, like match sticks to save weight, their is one for sale at the moment and the pictures show how flimsy it is at these points, never mind what it would do to the paint work, I suspect lashings to the wheels would be more prototypical, pulling the front wheel forward and the rears back.not that I have ever recovered a trike van, we didn't have many of them to recover in the Royal Mail but I did recover a Morris 8 van which would have been older than these things from Shrewsbury to Bristol once !

I don't mind ,thankfully I missed you advert on here, but please hurry up and sell um on flea bay I don't need any more kit temptations lockdown enabled me to reduce 27 to eight to Finnish loco kits as demonstrated a bit weak willed hence the five thankfully built Hattons purchase's this week which just needed fiddling with

Well if this thread about Keyser kits can acomadate a bit of flexibility as in autocom and now newcast partners, why not. if I don't get beaten to it I will start a thread off but am put off by my ancient I pads lack of posting abilities for pictures due to its creeking power and inability to do somethings , it's a bit like some of my locos Old but still working, the flanges might grumble on the chairs but it still goes.

Hayfield good luck in finding anything out I can't help you with knowage but will be intrested in reading it as a owner of several locos of theirs, can I remember car kits from back in my working in a model shop days (1980-81)

You know I never even noticed that! Westdale made coaches in O I think ? i automatically looked at westward kits even though you put westdale so it didn't matter and I think it is one of them but back to Keyser pannier fun, she is now remotered with a DS10 running the K's gears after letting the bearing fit go off, a bit fast on the top speed but better,than the bin filler you wonder how much profit was wasted on developing such a all full thing, true a nice gearbox would be miles better, but the cost of the gearbox undoubtedly wheels as I can't see them likeing coming on and off to often, I might as well replace the plank chassis with a nice etched one O! And whilst about plonk a Bachman body on top. No she stays as is, putting pick up on all wheels made the greatest inprovment only wire loop couplings and my period piece will hit the road apart from needing some numbers as 9705 isn't quite right but I do have a bodyline kit for one more of them (condensing pannier) to build,to add to the other two sat on Bachman chassis.

At the moment I am busy with keysers kits as said earlier currently I thinking about motors for the pannier, whilst distracted by giveing pick-up on all wheels, rather than the outer four which may be a factor in the hesitat running, other than the motor factor, also distracted by the postman just arriving with more from Hattons bargain sale,,,,guess what it's only another blooming keyser kit built, that I never built when you could get them, £36 for a 55xx with what looks like through the gap DS10 again.and romfords, it's a bit glossy and the top of the tanks is green rather than black which shouldn't be a problem to sort along with blacking down the nickel wheel rims, interest ly yet again double number plates 5570 on top of 5546 anyone know of these locos were any different from each other as to which set to stick on Re wills thread,,, with the 55xx came two more stars 4056 princess Margaret with a dinged cab roof and 4056 princess Augusta with what looks like brass hamblins wheels which probably dates its age and one name plate missing, but then £25 of reasons why it came my way. I must sort the pannier out before touching the stars or 55xx,,,,,O sugar I have already prized the double number plates off !

Funny you should post that........yesterday was spent going through my stars. Five of them ! Four from wills,of south east Finecast and one recent arrival with the etched chassis, this was numbered 4038 Queen Berengaria fine! But it had the cut out in the cab steps and a extra hole in the frames below the valve rocker hole makeing it one of the first twenty, so wrong name! Gently prising the number plate off revealed 4014. Underneath Interesting I then looked harder at the name plate I had pinged off, and that to was double thickness, result and thank you who ever renamed it before selling it to Hattons, it came off cleanly and the loco is now back as Friday Night , or Knight of the Bath.which is correct for the cab steps and cut out. The Keyser pannier has also had open hart surgery! And the HP2m is in the bin, whilst I decide weather to risk removing the wheels from their axels with fingers crossed that the plastic spokes don't brake as I don't really want to spend fifty quid on wheels for a twenty six pound loco or just try getting away with a motor transplant let you know! P S I need a what have you done with you Wills kit thread!