David Bigcheeseplant
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This is just a test print to get an idea of size etc, I will do a etched chassis with a proper gearbox.
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Some more work on the loco, I thought I would pop the file in the 3D printer and see how it came out. I did hold out too much hope as I drew it all in scale dimensions, and printing things at 0.3mm thickness and below was asking for trouble but it came out better than I thought, I will probably go for etched bits on the final design although the smokebox and saddle tank came out rather nice, including some very fine rivet detail.
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I am now starting to add details, bolts and rivets take a while. I may turn this in to a kit but will do a 3d print first to get the feel.
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The loco in with some railway background, its still at a basic form, but starting to look more like it should, buffers will be next then rivets etc.
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A bit more work, its starting to look like a loco now.
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As I have been working on the model of High Wycombe in 1854-64 I thought it would look better with some locomotives and rolling stock, so I have started to draw up the 4-4-0 GWR bogie class saddle tank locomotives as there were a number of the first batch allocated to Wycombe. These locos used the boiler as a structural member with the frames only from the front of the driving wheel to the rear buffer beam the front bogie was attached to the underside of the boiler.
As can be seen I have drawn the front bogie and driving wheels.
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Just looking at your photos I have noticed like so many other models of the type 5 signal box you have the brickwork in red brick, it should be entirely built in engineers blue brick.
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As it seems photos have disappeared these are the latest images where I have added a few more details. I have now moved on to adding rolling stock and the first will be a Gooch 4-4-0 bogie tank, there where a few allocated to Wycombe in this period, and Homer seems to the one that gets the most mentions so that will be the one I will draw up.
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Having used enamel paints in all my modelling, I was think of using the Vallego acrylic paints for figure and structure work, having never used acrylic paints what sets colours should I get and where from.
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I decided to go to the show as a visitor having not been for a few years, and the last time I went was on a trade stand. I drove and the day was beautiful weather, I think the last time there was snow, advance tickets got me in at 9.30.
Having not been for a few years a few things I did notice there were a few new manufacturers flying the flag but much less specialist traders although I did get want I needed from Eileen's and Modelu, there was in my opinion too much box and second-hand tat merchants, plus a couple of traders who had no connections with railways/model railways, such as selling stones/gems for your well being!
There was a huge amount of waisted space did people not turn up or was the hall badly laid out? Layout wise a few nice layouts which I had seen before, but there were some that were badly presented no lights and just blended in to the hall.
I spent a good six hours at the show, and it was good to catch up with people I had not seen for the last few years, and it was lovely to get out to a show again although I would like to have seen more specialist traders and less samey type layouts.
David
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Although I will probably laser cut the tank, I thought it might be an idea to pop it in the printer and see how it came out, a coat of grey primer and it looks ok but will do a proper and better version for the layout but it does give a idea of the finished size and what it will look like as a rear model rather than a virtual one.
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I was thinking how did grounded coach bodies get to site, were they taken to the station the body lifted off and the underframe taken back to the work to be recycled or was the body removed at a works and the body transported to site on a low wagon of some kind.
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We looked at many different venues some quite a distance from Aylesbury and were unable to find any suitable replacement, so we decided to cancel Railex 2022 and put all the effort into Railex 2023 which will be at Stoke Mandeville Stadium on our usual late May bank holiday weekend.
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A bit of work on the painting of the flint and brick on the laser cut test piece I am still not sure but it is getting in the right direction.
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Next up is the water tank and coke stage, to be fair I don't know what type of tank existed at Wycombe although I do have the drawing of the one at Aylesbury from 1863 so have used this, I have noticed the same design was used at other broad gauge station and have seen photos at Watchet/Minehead and Taunton so I guess it was a pretty standard design of the 1850s/60s I would be interested if anyone can point me in the direction of other similar structures.
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These are the original plans of Aylesbury goods shed that I own dated 1863, the design is different to the Wycombe-Thame section and are from when Ward was engineer the design was repeated at Malmsbury but in stone rather than brick and I think was also handed, but it does show that the engineer of the line took his designs with him.
I think this design was used at Wheatley and Littlemore as the roadside entrances are in the sides rather than the Brunel type which are in the ends.
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1 hour ago, Mike_Walker said:
Whilst I have seen claims in print that the WRC did not offer goods service until after the conversion of gauge in 1870 that appears to be incorrect as the goods shed at Marlow Road/Bourne End at least appears in early photos as shown above. Initially, goods sheds were provided at Bourne End, Wooburn Green and High Wycombe plus at Princes Risborough and Thame on the subsequent extension.
And also at Wheatley and Littlemore although both these goods shed that disappeared in the 1930s if not before.
1 hour ago, Mike_Walker said:Regarding its stations, the WRC had a standard design which appeared at Cookham, Bourne End, Wooburn Green and Loudwater. All were initially identical except that Bourne End, being on the Down side was a mirror image of the others which were all on the Up side. Over the years each was modified to a lesser or greater degree including extensions to all the living quarters except at Cookham. The same design was repeated at Bledlow (but constructed entirely in brick not brick and flint) on the Thame extension and that remained in almost as-built condition until closure in 1963. High Wycombe, West Wycombe, Princes Risborough and Thame all lacked the living accommodation but otherwise were very similar in design to the others, even allowing for the trainsheds attached to High Wycombe and Thame. This same style was also used for the second, through, station at High Wycombe.
A big thank you to David, your research for this project is expanding our knowledge of the early days of the Wycombe Railway immensely.
The living accommodation was only provided if there was a level crossing, there were crossing keepers cottages at Furze Platt and also Cores End. The crossing keepers cottage design was also repeated at Mill Lane on the Henley branch.
The engineer for the Wycombe Railway was Brunel, when he died Murray became the engineer and repeated the same design as the section to Maidenhead -Wycombe design on the Wycombe Thame extension. For some reason on the extension to Aylesbury and Oxford Murray was not used as engineer and a chap called Ward was, he used a different design of bridge, instead a of using an elliptical arch used a square cornered arch. also the station building at Aylesbury was different and so was the goods shed. The goods shed design was used at Wheatley and Littlemore and again at Malmsbury. and the station building at Aylesbury was the same as Hungerford I think he was engineer on these lines and took his designs with him.
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In the attached photo you can see the original train shed and engine shed sandwiched between later extensions, this photo is dated 1943 and taken from a RAF Mosquito.
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11 hours ago, genixia said:
Wycombe was originally built as a combined passenger station/carriage house/engine shed. The latter two because it was a terminus when built - it was GWR practice to station the train at the end of a branch overnight. Maybe in its earliest days it handled goods too. I would be surprised if its architectural style was the same as dedicated Goods sheds though. Do you think that two broad gauge lines ran through the main shed originally? I know that all the maps that I've seen have two lines, but I don't think that I've seen one from broad gauge days (pre-1870). If so, one of the lines would have been poorly accessible to passengers because it wouldn't have had a platform and would have had the engine shed line on its other side. That might not be a problem - I suspect that in the earliest days people were much more laissez-faire about crossing the tracks. I note that in the earlier maps that there appears to be a ramp exiting the platform at the western end.
So I wonder if the goods sheds were built when the line opened or a little later. Despite being built to IKB designs and specifications, and being operated from the beginning by GWR, the Wycombe Railway Company was initially an independent privately funded concern. I suspect that they built enough to prove the service was useful and then rapidly expanded as passengers and goods started taking advantage. We know that Loudwater didn't initially have a goods loop. The earliest photo of Marlow Road that I can find (1875) shows wheel-barrows on the platform with no suggestion of anything built behind the station. The station building itself looks similar to Loudwater too. I think that the goods sheds might have appeared after the conversion from broad gauge.
(Incidentally, Iron Dukes could never have been at Wycombe. They didn't appear until 1871, a year after the Wycombe branch had been converted to standard gauge).I think you are getting rather confused. Wycombe as built had a trainshed over two lines and a single platform on one side there was an attached booking office and the other side a single road engine shed, the goods shed was located in the yard well away from the passenger station. see attached 1860 , map where I have marked up the station and goods shed. Sometime in the 1880s the original goods shed was taken down and the trusses and other materials were added on to the old station which had now become a goods shed since a new station was opened in 1864 on the new alinement to Thame, I have marked up on the 1875 map where the goods shed and the covered goods canopy were added to the old station.
I have attached a 1880s map that shows the old station with the old goods shed and other building added its quite a strange shape, it was later squared up in 1905-6.
Bourne End or Marlow Road as it was on opening had a goods shed where the Marlow branch bay was later and this goods shed was taken down and rebuilt where it stands now.
As built all the intermediate Wycombe Railway stations were built to exactly the same design although Bourne End was handed, but all got altered over the years. The terminus at Wycombe had a train shed as discussed above. When the line was extended to Thame in 1862 the same house style was used the intermediate stations having the same design and the terminus at Thame being exactly the same size and design as Wycombe, although plain brick was used on the stations instead of brick and flint.
Broad gauge locos at Wycombe and Thame seem to be the Sun class 2-2-2 running as saddle tanks, with 4-4-0 bogie class mentioned too.
I have attached my marked up maps and also a photo of Bourne End showing the goods shed in the original position.
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8 hours ago, genixia said:
Oh, another great shed model, one that I'm intending to build at some point!
Do you have a copy of The Marlow Branch? (Karau and Turner, Wild Swan). The are several photos containing the Bourne End shed. In particular, p79 shows the side quite well. There were only 4 abutments, not 6, so the spans (and windows) would have been wider. The middle span did not appear to contain a window, there were only 2. Looking at the track plans in that book the goods shed is almost square - 90% wide as it is long.
The shed at Bourne End originally had an arched entry over the track (1890s, pg 35, also reference RHW:07725 at https://swop.org.uk/swop/swop.htm ) but was sometime later squared off (pg 79). Both road entrances were arched.
Marlow had a shed too (also in the book). Of note, it would have been built about the same time that Bourne End moved their shed, but was of a different design - side entrances for the carts. Track entrances were arched, although the wood panelling there ran vertically. Otherwise, similar style - vertical barred windows, office on one end.
Another detail - the central brickwork columns have easements cut out at platform height. You can see that clearly in the Marlow photos (pg130), but none of the Bourne End photos show the track entrances that low. It seems a bit of a kerfuffle - they could have simply built the shed slightly wider and pushed the platform out a little, so I wonder if that was an alteration to allow something specific to some particular rolling stock to pass. Folding ladder or ramp perhaps? One photo in the book does show the Bourne End cart entrance, which also appears might have that detail (pg85), so that's a little confusing. That could also be a shadowy illusion in that particular photo. I can't be sure.I have the Marlow Branch it does have some interesting photos, Bourne End goods shed has five panels and and three windows, this seems to be quite standard on GWR goods sheds and this is what I was going to do create model of Wycombe, but looking at the 1875 1:500 map there is defiantly seven panels although the shed is wider as can be seen in the the trusses that were grafted on to the old station sometime in the 1880s. I presume that if the span was increased the distance between them was reduced due to extra load, so that is why I drew the shed as I did. I think Marlow Goods shed needs to be taken out of any comparison as it was built as a standard gauge shed while Wycombe, Bourne End and Wooburn Green were built as broad gauge.
I think Wycombe was built bigger than the others being the biggest town on the line, you can see also on the 1875 map there is an extension to the cart side of the building and also another covered building to the oxford end of the goods shed presumably to increase capacity.
You can see the truss design on at Thame is similar but only has one iron bar on on the truss while at Wycombe there is two due to the larger span.
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The wall now laminated and with windows, there is a chamfer around the doors and windows which I plan to use 1mm triangular section.
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My second attempt at laser cut flintwork for my real model this I am quite pleased with, just need to know how to paint it now.
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28 minutes ago, Tallpaul69 said:
Hi Dave,
A couple of points on the shed, although I am no expert on Victorian Goods Sheds! :-
1) How does the "road" side of the shed work? As it stands , the only way even a short horse drawn wagon could be loaded from the platform would be sideways on rather than the more normal end on loading through an opening in the side of the shed? Also the platform as shown is very narrow and would not hold very many items.
2) Is the only way to access the "office" on the end appears to be from inside the shed?
Apart from the above, this latest item looks very good!
Cheers
Paul
Most early broad gauge sheds the road wagons were through the end walls rather than the side, as I have drawn. I think the entrance to the office was from the inside, although some had a door and steps on the side. I really need to study more photos, unless a photo or drawing crops up for Wycombe then it is educated guess work.
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1 hour ago, Mike_Walker said:
Do you have any idea when the Wooburn Green goods shed was demolished?
I don't know it here in this 1930s photo but had gone in the 1950s
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GWR Broad Gauge bogie Class
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I printed off another body I thickened up some parts and gave it a coat of grey primer, its come out ok and the rivet detail is quite fine but looks ok.
David